[dev1035] Are PUPs the only loved ones?

[Moink]

Where in the post did you see any suggetion of the kind?

I'm very satisfied with the updates to Puppetmaster as it was necessary and makes the job all the more enjoyable. What is annoying, though, is S-E's outright refusal to make similar fixes to the Summoner job. Spirits may be a secondary feature, but still needs to be made as relevant as possible when avatars aren't possible. There are still aspects to this job that need to be fixed to unshackle this job and allow it to reach it's potential.

Sorry, but I'm not trying to hear non-Summoners crying wolf about these suggestions being overpowered.

When has an avatar NOT been possible to summon that you needed a spirit to aid you? If you're silenced then neither an avatar or spirit is available... If you lose an avatar too fast because of a heavy tp move and the monster is too close to you do I ever seem to find the need to cast a spirit for that additional time to enhance the gap between myself and said monster being fought.

It is not about the job being overpowered. It is about the utillity of the Spirits and the small role they play for as a SMN and how are ANY of the people defending PUP crying wolf? Theyre defending, as am I, the idea that PUP needed this update far more than SMN and the poor thinking that Spirits need an update such as this.

[Moink]

People complaining about this PUPdate need to seriously shut their pie hole... Almost every extent of the update for PUP has been picked apart by poor thinking and "envious" stupidity... I am still waiting for the RNGs and CORs to complain about the fact Sharpshot doesn't need to be at a certain distance for ranged attacks / ws... or have I not seen that thread yet?...

[SpankWustler]

I really regret not just going to the bathroom immediately. Somebody wandered in there with an intent to shower after I spent a few minutes typing that post, and I had to hold it in forever. My only reward was reading someone's hopes and dreams of Light Spirit going from nigh-worthless to twice as competent as the average White Mage in a pick-up group.

If I die of lower gastrointestinal dysphoria before I die of something else then I am totally going to blame this topic and haunt somebody.

[Spiritreaver]

Where in the post did you see any suggetion of the kind?

I'm very satisfied with the updates to Puppetmaster as it was necessary and makes the job all the more enjoyable. What is annoying, though, is S-E's outright refusal to make similar fixes to the Summoner job. Spirits may be a secondary feature, but still needs to be made as relevant as possible when avatars aren't possible. There are still aspects to this job that need to be fixed to unshackle this job and allow it to reach it's potential.

Sorry, but I'm not trying to hear non-Summoners crying wolf about these suggestions being overpowered.

I appreciate the view you share in your post. However there is 'crying wolf" and then there is what mellowy always does. Speaking only for myself(though i'm reasonably sure i'm prolly not alone thinking it), i'm totally for every job getting the buffs it needs/requires; but i do not think you or anyone else needs/wants mellowy out front leading the charge for you.

[Razushu]

I really regret not just going to the bathroom immediately. Somebody wandered in there with an intent to shower after I spent a few minutes typing that post, and I had to hold it in forever. My only reward was reading someone's hopes and dreams of Light Spirit going from nigh-worthless to twice as competent as the average White Mage in a pick-up group.

If I die of lower gastrointestinal dysphoria before I die of something else then I am totally going to blame this topic and haunt somebody.

Just haunt the forums, make it so anyone who demands a fix to spirits, or expresses a belief that they need to be boosted to relevance dies of extreme fright in seven days.

[Alhanelem]

Name something stronger than DC-EM a Pup can solo

Basically anything other people can? Safer? PUP is one of the safest. Faster? PUP sure as hell is faster than other popular soloists, e.g. nin/dnc/smn/even bst.

Now excuse me, sorry to interrupt your trolling effort, but I need some food.

[Neisan_Quetz]

I was being serious. Faster than who now? I think you're smoking instead of eating. Maybe a 5/5 Aurore Dnc you'll be faster than...

There is no distinct advantage to using pup pre update. So yes a Bst soloing would be more efficient than bringing Pup.

[Alhanelem]

I was being serious. Faster than who now? I think you're smoking instead of eating. Maybe a 5/5 Aurore Dnc you'll be faster than...

There is no distinct advantage to using pup pre update. So yes a Bst soloing would be more efficient than bringing Pup.

No, it wouldn't. I'm not smoking anything. Even when geared for it, DNC is laughable as a DD, and a snail could kill faster. Amazingly easy to solo with, yes. Fast? No.

I'm not going to trash up another thread. Don't waste your time.

[Neisan_Quetz]

As bad as I think Dnc is I can't take you serious with that statement.

[Soranika]

Would love to see a PUP solo iron giants in abyssea. Or or even see a pup solo that one treant NM from the WoTG mission.