6 hit Cala vs 7 Hit Cala.

[Rezeak]

6 hit Cala vs 7 hit Cala

Mathy part.

To loss in tp gain on 6 Cala is around

15 accish so it's a 7.5%-8% loss in tp speed where acc matters.

Therefore for
6 hit || 5 X 430 / (0.9-0.08) = 2621 delay (on avg per WS)
7 Hit || 6 X 430 / 0.9 = 2866 delay

2866/2621 = 1.09

Meaning 6 hit Cala when acc matter
WSes 9% faster
20% when acc doesn't matter

Loss in DMG from inferiour WS build

We'll consider feet waist neck Ring X 2 and ammo

Feet 5 STR 5 VIT
Waist 5 STR 5 VIT
Rings x 2 12 VIT and 4 STR
Neck 9 VIT
Ammo 4 VIT

Total loss = 35 VIT and 14 STR = 35*0.6 + 14*0.25 = +24.5 Base DMG in WS


The base for 6 hit is around 127 VIT in gear + stats
(i'll ignore fstr here since it's the same on both and mob vary so much it's not worth considering for this comparison)

127*0.6 = 76 Base DMG

120 + 76 = 196 Base DMG for 6 hit
196 + 25 = 221 Base DMG for 7 hit

221/196 = +12% Torclever DMG for 7 hit.

Therefore

If acc is a issue 7 hit > 6 hit by 3-6% DMG ((1/1.09)*1.12 = 1.03)
If acc isn't an issue 6 hit > 7 hit by 7-10% DMG ((1.20*(1/1.12 = 1.10)

Either way alot of this is rough (but easily accurate enough to prove this) and i gave +3% to 7 hit cause of Da and things which i didn't fully account for but to the point.

In cases outside VW and Abyssea 6 hit is the way to go unless you have acc issues.

Inside VW Save tp atma makes only 1 hit build suitible (5 Hit) for cala
Inside Abyssea it's not worth thinking about too much since theres more to consider b/cause of atmas and varied sititations.

Small edit :
w/ capped magic haste i can use Adaman body (3 Stp ) which allow me to use remove another 15 store tp for WS (inc body)

w/ Amada 5 Stp you could remove 29 store tp meaning almost no loss in WS DMG

Which also means in capped haste situation 6 Hit > 7 hit (if ya have adaman/Amada body)

[Jar]

6 hit Cala vs 7 hit Cala

Mathy part.

To loss in tp gain on 6 Cala is around

15 accish so it's a 7.5%-8% loss in tp speed where acc matters.

Therefore for
6 hit || 5 X 430 / (0.9-0.08) = 2621 delay (on avg per WS)
7 Hit || 6 X 430 / 0.9 = 2866 delay

2866/2621 = 1.09

Meaning 6 hit Cala when acc matter
WSes 9% faster
20% when acc doesn't matter

Loss in DMG from inferiour WS build

We'll consider feet waist neck Ring X 2 and ammo

Feet 5 STR 5 VIT
Waist 5 STR 5 VIT
Rings x 2 12 VIT and 4 STR
Neck 9 VIT
Ammo 4 VIT

Total loss = 35 VIT and 14 STR = 35*0.6 + 14*0.25 = +24.5 Base DMG in WS


The base for 6 hit is around 127 VIT in gear + stats
(i'll ignore fstr here since it's the same on both and mob vary so much it's not worth considering for this comparison)

127*0.6 = 76 Base DMG

120 + 76 = 196 Base DMG for 6 hit
196 + 25 = 221 Base DMG for 7 hit

221/196 = +12% Torclever DMG for 7 hit.

Therefore

If acc is a issue 7 hit > 6 hit by 3-6% DMG ((1/1.09)*1.12 = 1.03)
If acc isn't an issue 6 hit > 7 hit by 7-10% DMG ((1.20*(1/1.12 = 1.10)

Either way alot of this is rough (but easily accurate enough to prove this) and i gave +3% to 7 hit cause of Da and things which i didn't fully account for but to the point.

In cases outside VW and Abyssea 6 hit is the way to go unless you have acc issues.

Inside VW Save tp atma makes only 1 hit build suitible (5 Hit) for cala
Inside Abyssea it's not worth thinking about too much since theres more to consider b/cause of atmas and varied sititations.

Small edit :
w/ capped magic haste i can use Adaman body (3 Stp ) which allow me to use remove another 15 store tp for WS (inc body)

w/ Amada 5 Stp you could remove 29 store tp meaning almost no loss in WS DMG

Which also means in capped haste situation 6 Hit > 7 hit (if ya have adaman/Amada body)

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[Taint2]

WS delay also favors the 7hit, esp at capped haste.

[Taint2]

What are the 2 gear sets you are comparing?

[Nightfyre]

What are the 2 gear sets you are comparing?

Also interested in the answer to this question.

[TybudX]

Obviously he's only wearing Caladbolg if it takes 43 seconds to get TP.

[Rezeak]

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/235603

is the tp set which gives +52 Store tp w/food

For the + VIT/STR difference i just worked out the best WS gear for the store tp slots
(if ya want me to put out an entire WS set i will when i get time )
To work out roughly what the difference in DMG is.

Either way the conculsion i found is ;
When accuracy is an issue it's prolly close enough not to care if ya have a 6/7 hit w/ varibles like WS delay, meditate and Absorb-tp ect ect ) but by no means 6 hit is behide like some would try to point out unless i missed something.

When accuracy isn't a issue 6 hit pretty much wins (unless i missed something pretty big)

When haste is capped and you have Adaman body 6 hit always wins.

Anyway i have 6 and a 7 hit so either way i'm ready until i get a apoc lol.

[Taint2]

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/235603

is the tp set which gives +52 Store tp w/food

For the + VIT/STR difference i just worked out the best WS gear for the store tp slots
(if ya want me to put out an entire WS set i will when i get time )
To work out roughly what the difference in DMG is.

Either way the conculsion i found is ;
When accuracy is an issue it's prolly close enough not to care if ya have a 6/7 hit w/ varibles like WS delay, meditate and Absorb-tp ect ect ) but by no means 6 hit is behide like some would try to point out unless i missed something.

When accuracy isn't a issue 6 hit pretty much wins (unless i missed something pretty big)

When haste is capped and you have Adaman body 6 hit always wins.

Anyway i have 6 and a 7 hit so either way i'm ready until i get a apoc lol.

Thats a 7hit.... 11x1.46= 16.06x5 = 80 so unless you are WSing in 81stp its a 7hit.

edit: thats with carbonara which is a big damage loss over RCB, it also requires you WS in 52stp which again wouldn't make sense.

I don't think you'll find a 6hit that makes sense for Cala and even when you get to capped haste WS delay,multihit rounds and human error will strongly favor a 7hit.

[Nightfyre]

Probably forgot that FFXIAH adds 20 STP for Rose Strap.

The strongest 6hit I found outside full buffs + LR up was:

Caladbolg/Rose/---/Hagneia
Zelus/Houyi's/Bale/Brutal
Armada/Bale +2/Tyrant's/Rajas
Tactical/Goading/Calmecac/Ace's

and WSing in Rajas, Brutal, and Hagneia Stone. Those without a 6 STP Armadaberk will have to give up a little more; Aurum, 5 STP Adaberk + Attila's, or Askar Korazin + Attila's are basically your only gear options. I've yet to find a situation in which this beats an equally strong 7-hit. Food is an option but will not completely close the gap, especially if cRatio is not capped fulltime.

[Taint2]

Probably forgot that FFXIAH adds 20 STP for Rose Strap.

The strongest 6hit I found outside full buffs + LR up was:

Caladbolg/Rose/---/Hagneia
Zelus/Houyi's/Bale/Brutal
Armada/Bale +2/Tyrant's/Rajas
Tactical/Goading/Calmecac/Ace's

and WSing in Rajas, Brutal, and Hagneia Stone. Those without a 6 STP Armadaberk will have to give up a little more; Aurum, 5 STP Adaberk + Attila's, or Askar Korazin + Attila's are basically your only gear options. I've yet to find a situation in which this beats an equally strong 7-hit. Food is an option but will not completely close the gap, especially if cRatio is not capped fulltime.

Yeah a 7hit + swordstrap should completely own that set and allow flexibility where ever you need it.