Wtf SE

[Economizer]

pups can learn "Dreadspikes" and "Absorb-Attri" in the next udpate...I just dont know what too say its unfair it not right I'm beyond angry!

A few updates ago when DRK got Absorb-Attri, I remember the majority of the THF community screaming bloody murder about a certain merited ability.

Shoot, if you really want to get technical, Scarlet Delirium was pretty much a rip off of Afflatus Misery at some level, maybe White Mages should be angry at Dark Knights as well.

And while we're getting mad at jobs that take unique job abilities/traits/features, we might as well delete Blue Mage, Corsair, Dancer, Scholar, Red Mage and Puppetmaster from the game.

I don't mean to be too harsh with the humor, but I don't think it is something to be too mad about (but feel free to fume, we all do) since it won't really affect Dark Knights all that much. Dark Knights will be the glass cannons we all know and love.

[Cljader1]

A few updates ago when DRK got Absorb-Attri, I remember the majority of the THF community screaming bloody murder about a certain merited ability.

Shoot, if you really want to get technical, Scarlet Delirium was pretty much a rip off of Afflatus Misery at some level, maybe White Mages should be angry at Dark Knights as well.

And while we're getting mad at jobs that take unique job abilities/traits/features, we might as well delete Blue Mage, Corsair, Dancer, Scholar, Red Mage and Puppetmaster from the game.

I don't mean to be too harsh with the humor, but I don't think it is something to be too mad about (but feel free to fume, we all do) since it won't really affect Dark Knights all that much. Dark Knights will be the glass cannons we all know and love.

DRK is not a glass cannon, if we were we'll be top zerger, top damage outputer with paper defense....instead drk is a mediocare meleers with paper defense...so in otherwords drk is glass shield meleer...with now only one worthwhile unique spell at there disposal drain II...and how long will we have that before its rip over to blm.

Scarlet Delirium is a rip of afflatus misery...are you serious? had you been smoking the stickiest of the inkiest...the too abilities have 2 entirely different functions. Plus most drks dont want that ability, SE can keep that trash, drks should get worthwhile abilities and SE should stop prostituting our spells to every tom, john, and harry who clamours for a update

[Soranika]

DRK is not a glass cannon, if we were we'll be top zerger, top damage outputer with paper defense....instead drk is a mediocare meleers with paper defense...so in otherwords drk is glass shield meleer...with now only one worthwhile unique spell at there disposal drain II...and how long will we have that before its rip over to blm.

Scarlet Delirium is a rip of afflatus misery...are you serious? had you been smoking the stickiest of the inkiest...the too abilities have 2 entirely different functions. Plus most drks dont want that ability, SE can keep that trash, drks should get worthwhile abilities and SE should stop prostituting our spells to every tom, john, and harry who clamours for a update

Afflatus Misery requires WHM to take damage to enhance Cura's cure potency, which had the potential to replace curaga as an mp efficient aoe cure. For esuna to work, you have to get hit by the ailment you want to cure for aoe erase. Pretty much requires you to take some kind of damage or ailment to actually work. Save for Afflatus Misery for Auspice and the fact that it's used in more than one way, Scarlet Delirium concept works the same way.

And DRK.... not a glass cannon? You've not met a Tarutaru by the name of Faceless.

[Cljader1]

Afflatus Misery requires WHM to take damage to enhance Cura's cure potency, which had the potential to replace curaga as an mp efficient aoe cure. For esuna to work, you have to get hit by the ailment you want to cure for aoe erase. Pretty much requires you to take some kind of damage or ailment to actually work. Save for Afflatus Misery for Auspice and the fact that it's used in more than one way, Scarlet Delirium concept works the same way.

And DRK.... not a glass cannon? You've not met a Tarutaru by the name of Faceless.

First of all your main job is SMN, so how do you know how drks feel? We just had our best spells ripped from us...I have never seen ANY job get there best spell ripped from them...How would you feel if drks got Odin, Alex and Atomos huh?? Yeah I said Atomos, because we just got Absorb-Attr on 9/19/11 and its already been ripped. So if drk got Odin, Alex and Atomos, how would you feel about that?

[Soranika]

First of all your main job is SMN, so how do you know how drks feel? We just had our best spells ripped from us...I have never seen ANY job get there best spell ripped from them...How would you feel if drks got Odin, Alex and Atomos huh?? Yeah I said Atomos, because we just got Absorb-Attr on 9/19/11 and its already been ripped. So if drk got Odin, Alex and Atomos, how would you feel about that?

LOL Do you really have to ask? The advent of several BLU spells and SCH sucked a lot of advantage away from SMN in aoe buff area. Right now the only buff that we still have that hasn't been replicated yet is Hastega, but it's pretty relative to SCH's new 2hr, embrava. (Edit in: Also, a lot of buffs SMN can use are replicated through BRD and COR buffs as well, in tandom Garuda got Fleet Wind, which pretty much takes directly from BRD's chocobo marzuka.)

DRK already took Odin's lackluster thunder with the Twilight's Scythe's latent ability to cause instant death.
Alexander's perfect defense? A weaker, yet aoe version of PLD's two hour ability.
Atomos... isn't even out yet. The abilities is speculated based on the WotG story fight in which Atomos is summoned and used for.

It isn't as bad as you're making it out to be.

[Economizer]

First of all your main job is SMN, so how do you know how drks feel?

Circumstantial Ad Hominem fallacy. It doesn't matter what job people play most in this game, we aren't incapable of empathy or understanding a simple position like this.

Afflatus Misery requires WHM to take damage to enhance Cura's cure potency

I said it was technically similar, but what I had in mind was the charge system (one hit being recorded) being exactly the same, and how it boosts Banish potency. Ultimately, the point was that complaining about the particular things he was complaining about was as absurd.

It still is absurd. No Puppet is ever going to be as useful as a Dark Knight at doing what a Dark Knight can do, unless the Dark Knight is terribly geared. Pets and NPCs never manage to cast spells as good as properly geared player characters.

[Insaniac]

A few updates ago when DRK got Absorb-Attri, I remember the majority of the THF community screaming bloody murder about a certain merited ability.

Not to nit pick but THFs weren't really complaining about DRKs getting absorb-attri. The problem was that like 2 days before SE announced the new spell they told us that putting aura steal on a separate, lower timer would be over powered and then they gave DRK the ability to absorb buffs on a 30-60 second timer. I just don't want THFs legitimate complaints to be lumped in with this thread.

[Spiritreaver]

This is a F*cking slap in the face, pups can learn "Dreadspikes" and "Absorb-Attri" in the next udpate...I just dont know what too say its unfair it not right I'm beyond angry!

I happen to be both a DRK and PUP 95(among other things) and even if you struck off the PUP from there, i don't see the need for your knee-jerk reaction.

So its ok for pup to rip off drk's top tier dark magic and a brand new absorb spell we JUST got...while we fed spoon get Scarlet Delirium?? The only unique spell we have now worth mentioning is drain 2. Pup get a complete overhaul with like 20 new spells, and we cant get a hard look. With all there new spells that they ripped off others jobs but they take drk's BEST spells. Soon the only thing that ill have original for my drk is my apoc and redemption. Its a damn shame really, a automation casting dreadspikes on the puppetmaster, sometime im hard pressed to get off a dreadspikes on myself do to the long casting time.

Then you have idiots saying Scarlet Delirium is good, when a job like pup is get Dreadspikes, Absorb-Attri, Haste, Phalanx, Regen IV, new job traits, new job abilities etc. all in one shot. Absorb-Attri we just got it and pup gets it, no other jobs have blm's aga spells, why do we get screw out of our signatures spells???

First, as said by others in this thread, PUP is a job who by its very nature mimics some of the abilities of other jobs. Been that way from day one.

Two, dmg-spikes are NOT new, nor are they job defining. RDM and BLM have had them forever(and incidentally the spells have been subbable forever as well) and PLD got their own version at the same DRK did. BLU even has a few.

Three, again as stated before in this thread, BLU has had not one but TWO versions of of absorb-attri since before SE backhandedly tossed DRK our version. And lets not forget THF which has to sink in merits for their version.

Well SE should give them there own unique spells and buffs, they did it with blue mage. Dont rip off dark knight and red mages, they outright gave them dreadspikes...they didnt need to do that, but slapping drks is the face seems to be the theme these days.

BLU does have unique spells, but the job does borrow several from other classes. Animated Wail(full strength Haste) and Battery Charge(Refresh 1.5)-both sharable with merits, some dispels, heals that when geared right rival WHMs, etc etc.

Again stated before, the lines between jobs is only going to continue blurring the higher in lvl we go.

You're not making any sense are you really comparing twilight scythe to Odin and say drk is ripping off smn...you cant be serious. Your comparisons make no sense...until drks get to summon a avatar named Odin then you can talk because thats exactly what happen too drks...pup is going to be given a spell call dreadspikes and its cast automatically by the automaton whenever the puppetmaster gets hate...the puppetmaster doesnt have to worry about spell interruption they just hit a dark maneuver are keep on fighting...while we get scarlet delirium

As of right now, exactly 3 jobs have access to some form of the Death spell. Guess which 3. Now guess which got it first....not DRK.

Touching again on dread spikes, for an automaton to cast it on itself(and no, the master gets zero dread spike joy) a few things need to happen.
1-The pet has to have hate-Admittedly not too hard after dropping a fat T5 nuke(btw 3 jobs in gave get those..)
2-The master needs to have at least 2 Dark manuvers(10 sec recat on manuvers btw) up(now speaking for myself this wont happen much for me as i'm pushing ice mans when i'm nuking on PUP-but thats just me)
3-The automaton has to actually cast the spell(again speaking for me, this one isn't too likely as after my auto pulls hate, i'm wiping hate asap-so no time for it to cast it)

I'll speak on Scarlet Del. farther down.

False information again on pups casting dreadspikes, you only need to have the blm head on thats it.

See above on how PUPs "instantaneously" get dread spikes up....


Scarlet Delirium blows. I don't like it. Its gonna take some serious retooling to get it up to snuff and make me want to use it. And the time spent fixing it could be better spent actually beefing up DRK. SE took some stylized deluded view on what they think DRK should be and needed, and spat out SD.

That said...

Using SE's gross misjudgment in giving DRK this JA in lieu of real buffs as a blanket to blindly lash out at another job in need of attention is both childish and undeserved. Part of the overhaul that PUP has needed for years has come in the form of mimicking 2 aspects of DRK's bag of tricks. 2 smaller aspects imo, especially seeing how in keeping with the trend with hybrids PUP won't be able to make use of dread spikes or abs-attri as well as a DRK.

Calm down and take a pause guy.

You don't like PUP? Don't like that its a hybrid job and is getting the hybrid treatment its been sorely lacking since SE threw the half-finished job at us when it was introduced? You find the automatons frightening? Clowns aren't you're cup of tea? Didn't like Kefka(think about it...)?

That's all fine and dandy. But at least when you overreact, be honest about it. Scarlet Delirium blows harder than Lewinsky and you're pissed about it. As am I and every other DRK i've talked to ingame. But one thing i'm not gonna do is go off half-cocked and cry every time another job gets actual adjustments.

I suggest you do the same.

[Economizer]

Not to nit pick but THFs weren't really complaining about DRKs getting absorb-attri. The problem was that like 2 days before SE announced the new spell they told us that putting aura steal on a separate, lower timer would be over powered and then they gave DRK the ability to absorb buffs on a 30-60 second timer. I just don't want THFs legitimate complaints to be lumped in with this thread.

I'm quite aware of this and the circumstances surrounding it (I got to listen to not only the THF threads which I watch closely, but quite a few THF in game and in real life complain about it), but I think it is fair to bring it up as a comparison. The reason I think it is fair is that I was trying to show how ridiculous it is to be upset Puppetmaster will have a less useful version, when Thief had a much bigger issue (and yes, Absorb-ATTRI was just one of the many causes) that involved the ability that Dark Knight has, and also when the spell is not unique at all (perhaps I should have mentioned BLU spells like others in this thread, but I thought the THF - DRK issue was a major enough one to highlight it).

Ultimately, I was just trying to use some humor to reflect the fact that this thread is a tad ridiculous. That and maybe also trying to get Dark Knights to realize that Scarlet Delirium suspiciously shares behavior with Afflatus Misery in the way that damage charges build (I think they might share code in some way).