[Dev1024] - Job-Adjustments - War.

[Leonlionheart]

Better than your warrior unless you are talking about inside abyssea.

A friend parsed Tinnin the other day:

37% Ukon WAR, 29% Masa SAM, 20% perfect geared Apoc95 DRK, rest was MNK

DRK is so bad...
To his behest we had a BRD, but the SAM was silly and said marchx1 minuetx1 so it's not like we were all capping haste, Apoc still had that extra 15% from last resort on us.

[Darriken]

So? i can bring up the Tyger parse where i went 40% while there were Masa's and Ukon's in my party. The DRK was just bad. Get off the War train seriously. It's not as good as you people think. We could sit here and say what we got on parses all day but it really doesn't say anything because of variables of players' skill and the actual truthfulness of the parse. It seems like everyone says DRK is a terrible DD on my server except the people in my linkshell because the two apoc darks in my linkshell (me included) prove it to them time and time again. For some reason people get it in their mind that DRK sucks and then it's ignorance that keeps that word out there. At lvl 90 i would use caladbolg and honestly, the margin between me and the next DD wasn't even close... it was actually embarrasing.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Your Sams were doing it wrong. The Wars too.

[Darriken]

Your Sams were doing it wrong. The Wars too.

Then your DRKs were doing it wrong... See this can keep going on forever. DRK/WAR/SAM, and i'd assume DRG with a Ryu would also be, and also a relic RNG on T3 Voidwatch are the top DDs. saying DRK is bad is being ignorant. You just haven't found someone who has played it well before.

[Neisan_Quetz]

I never said Drk is bad. But if your drk is doing 40% of the damage versus ukon wars and masamune sams then yes, they are doing things very wrong.

[Darriken]

I never said Drk is bad. But if your drk is doing 40% of the damage versus ukon wars and masamune sams then yes, they are doing things very wrong.

Was mainly talking to Leon about that. Anyways, but the Best possible WAR, DRK, and SAM, will come pretty close to each other, on those Tyger parses I stated I'm sure they weren't playing to the best. The best WAR i know is my brother, best possible WAR gear pretty much, and he always came slightly behind me.

[Arcon]

DRK was bad ever since Haste cap was adjusted. And even before then it was only good with massive support. Now it's only good for zerg situations. I've never seen a DRK come close to my damage (and I don't have Ukon yet), neither before Abyssea, nor now, inside or outside. And by close I mean within half of my damage. DRK is a subpar DD, but telling that to DRKs is as pointless as any discussion can be.

[Darriken]

Ignorance is bliss I suppose.

[tyrantsyn]

I think the point here is that ppl are looking for another defensive option on WAR, not who's got the biggest damage %. Derail the bickering and get back to the idea at hand please.

[Darriken]

I think the point here is that ppl are looking for another defensive option on WAR, not who's got the biggest damage %. Derail the bickering and get back to the idea at hand please.

If we are talking about Voidwatch, The DDs should be just having Seigan + Third Eye and using a PDT set when its down if they have hate if they are any good. Some like Kaggen and Uptala Third Eye won't do anything anyway, so it's basically ride your PDT and hopefully get a cure before it does more than one or two hits on you. On DRK i know i ride my temp items(fanatics) until no more procs ensue, however Seigan + Third Eye + Dread spikes keep me alive quite long unless it's one of those mobs DS doesn't work on. I'm sure DRG also works very well with surviving with jumps.

From what i've seen with my experiences with Voidwatch, DD survivability would go in this order :
Relic RNG > DRK(unless it's an undead mob) > DRG > WAR = SAM