How about an Enfeebling Magic thread?

[saevel]

Since any good White Mage would just sub Scholar and get the same boosts to Gain/Boost spells as a Red Mage

Not even remotely close.

My enhancing macro has me at 463 total enhancing magic. That's +21 to my stat of choice.

WHM can't get.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Not even remotely close.

My enhancing macro has me at 463 total enhancing magic. That's +21 to my stat of choice.

WHM can't get.

I've checked WHM/SCH with gear recieves more Enhancing than RDM.

WHM can get +99
RDM can get +80

[saevel]

I've checked WHM/SCH with gear recieves more Enhancing than RDM.

WHM can get +99
RDM can get +80

Which gear and what's the difficulty of obtaining. Sh!t like Hyksos robe and it's HQ+2 R/EX version are exceeding rare to the point of non-existence. I've gone over this with many many WHMs, very few have enhancing sets.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Which gear and what's the difficulty of obtaining. Sh!t like Hyksos robe and it's HQ+2 R/EX version are exceeding rare to the point of non-existence. I've gone over this with many many WHMs, very few have enhancing sets.

Olymbus Sash = +5
Hyksos Robe = +10~11 - Can be bought so should not be removed. 4 million gil isn't hard to get anymore
Beneficus = +15
Portent Pants = +15
Orison Boots +2 = +20
Augur's Gloves = +5
Enhancing/Colossus's Torque = +7~10
Merciful Cape = +5

I calculated wrong it's only +82 but the point being WHM is NOT behind RDM in any case when it comes to enhancing. Boost and Gain with the correct gear is even, and barspells one of the only other spells effected by Enhancing Skill WHM already trumps RDM on.

[saevel]

Olymbus Sash = +5

Hyksos Robe = +10~11 - Can be bought so should not be removed. 4 million gil isn't hard to get anymore
Read what I wrote, I only just now got this item and I had to acquire the parts individually and have a LS member synergy it. These are incredibly rare, they require a rare drop off the Windy T3 VWNM turtle and a flame gem. It's NOT a matter of "get gil, goto AH, get item". I tried for months to no avail.

Beneficus = +15, While it exists I've never EVER seen a WHM use it.

Portent Pants = +15
Orison Boots +2 = +20
Augur's Gloves = +5
Enhancing/Colossus's Torque = +7 (do not count special day effects, that is 1/8 of the time tops).
Merciful Cape = +5

I calculated wrong it's only +82 but the point being WHM is NOT behind RDM in any case when it comes to enhancing. Boost and Gain with the correct gear is even, and barspells one of the only other spells effected by Enhancing Skill WHM already trumps RDM on.

And this assumes the WHM is /SCH anyway, most seem to be permanently attached to /BLM for Warp II or /RDM for Vert / Refresh these days.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

And this assumes the WHM is /SCH anyway, most seem to be permanently attached to /BLM for Warp II or /RDM for Vert / Refresh these days.

I don't know, I only ever see WHM/SCH on my server.

[saevel]

I don't know, I only ever see WHM/SCH on my server.

Then your practicing cognitive dissonance.

Which actually explains a lot.

-=Edit=-

I'm not arguing whats best, it's obvious that a WHM with an enhancing set is better then a WHM without one. Just like a WHM going /SCH is better then a WHM going /BLM (/RDM is up in the air).

I'm arguing what's actually being used. Theory is nice on paper, but it's what happens in reality that gets things done. And from every observation /BLM is the predominate sub because of the quantity of D2's that need to be passed around after each fight. Their doing it to speed up travel between fights.

Just like the enhancing set above, I do agree that a dedicated hard core WHM can go out and with lots of work get this insanely awesome enhancing magic set. But what on earth would they use it on? Closest thing is barspells, but we already know the resistance is crap, your really using them for the MDB / MDC effects. And even then, these days having a WHM run into range of the tank during a NM fight usually means BBQ'd WHM.

Now if WHM could target those spells onto someone else, then we'd be talking differently.

[saevel]

I've checked WHM/SCH with gear recieves more Enhancing than RDM.

WHM can get +99
RDM can get +80

People need to stop looking at wiki's enhancing magic list and going "hey they can get X / Y / Z", its not that simple. Actually acquiring that gear is much harder / annoying and of questionable worth. List actual obtainable gear, SE likes to troll people.