What new Jug Pets would you like to see 91-99?

[Camiie]

SE: We'll have a fair vote... then we'll implement the hippogryph!

[Zaknafein]

For those of you who voted for scorpion, I understand your disappointment. However, please realize that though this was the number one pick for EN players, this selection was based off of all regions. Also, please keep in mind that the dev. team needs to consider all aspects of potential implementation and therefore has to make the final call themselves.

Trust me when I say that your feedback is not a waste of time and you are not being ignored. I make sure that your opinions are properly conveyed to the development as best as I can and I continue to work with them, following up when necessary, to bring them updates and any new suggestions you have.

Camate I appreciate the work you do on these forum's, and your repeated efforts to convey our wishes while keeping us informed. I certainly find no fault with you in this situation that has developed, and I understand the delicate position you've been placed in.

However that being said. This response (which undoubtedly was either crafted by a senior member or at the very least heavily proofread/steered by such) is sorely lacking in the explanation department. Without rehashing all the details that have been discussed in this thread, and the other one the "this selection was based off of all regions" is simply unacceptable.

I've been playing this game a long time. I'll be perfectly honest I love the game. It's the first, and the last MMO I have played. I have watched many friends leave the game over the years. Exponentially more since the release of Abyssea, and the subsequent level cap increases. I try hard to promote the game to new players, and especially to try, and win back veterans who have departed.

To put it bluntly this situation really takes the wind out of my sails in regards to those efforts, and causes me to reevaluate my own commitment to the franchise. As many have stated over the last few days this unpleasant feeling transcends a single call made on a jug pet.

[BigPapaBlueJay]

SE seems to use an electoral college system, where 1 persons vote doesn't matter, the forum itself gets 1 vote based on the voters within.

With this being said, unless SE can easily see which you belong to, or if you've voted before, vote in every forum next time to help sway the election.

[Selzak]

The problem is that you are being stubborn to the point of being childlike. You tell me to look at context but you are completely unable to do so. I've already told you that no where in any of Camate or Mocchi's posts did they say that the pet with the most number of votes would be selected. You cling onto this fourth place ranking like it proves something. It doesn't.

You then hear that the hippo was the winner on the German forum as well and you still don't seem to care. Since numbers seem to matter so much to you, here are two for you: 2 to 1. That is the report that was probably sent by community reps. The dev team didn't know/care that scorpion had 44 votes or however many you think it did. They only know that the hippo was the clear winner in 2 of the 3 forums. End of story.

I also told you that the dev team had other considerations when they made the decision and that your feedback (which is all it was. Feedback.) was considered among them. What did Camate tell you? The exact same thing.

And I've already asked why you continue to rant and complain about favoritism for the Japanese players in a Japanese game that is played primarily by Japanese if you really think that is the case. It's actually a bit ironic because you wanted the dev team to base their decisions on the most votes cast, but are upset because you think they are playing favorites to the largest player base.

If you want to continue to be upset about something that I really think you shouldn't be then that is your prerogative. I was just trying to help you see the bigger picture but you have decided that you are mad and you want to stay mad. Have fun with that. I can only watch a person bang their head against a wall for so long.

There's nothing going on here that I don't understand, I guess you and I see the situation differently but I really don't think you have much room to call me stubborn when nearly every single person here (and even outside of the thread) sees it as a problem and you refuse to see it in that light.

To me, forty-something votes to twenty-something votes means the former wins. When the overall vote has three choices above Hippogryph, but we get the Hippogryph (which Japanese posters happened to favor) I see a problem.

Unlike you, I'm going to assume that the Hippogryph implementation was not random and did indeed reflect the community's feedback. I don't think there's anything stubborn about recognizing the obvious. I assume you agree that the votes did matter, even though you argue both sides.

Now, unraveling your logic a bit and assuming that the vote matters (which you seem to jump back and forth on while arguing contradicting 'points'), let's examine the reason(s) why Hippogryph was chosen:

I don't care if there were 200 separate national forums and 199 of them ended up voting in favor of Hippogryph, player choice depends on players not their language or country of origin. Otherwise, you're saying their votes count more than ours.

You call me stubborn for considering overall votes, yet in order to support your argument you pretend like the Hippogryph won 2:1 because five Germans voted for it (despite losing terribly overall). According to your logic, if I had gone to the French forum and voted for Scorpion and that was the only vote in the entire thread- it'd be tied! 2-2! I can actually speak French, too...wish I had known. That kind of logic is absolutely ridiculous, and to work behind that and then call me stubborn is ironic as hell.


Feedback is feedback, but why was it handled the way that it was? There's a Japanese Hippogryph staring you in the face that you don't seem to want to consider. You say the votes didn't really matter, or that they were considered but at the end it was the development team's decision- but why that decision? Why the Japanese favorite and not the three others that had more votes?

[Sasaraixx]

You're trying but still failing. I never said that your votes didn't matter. I said that you are too fixated by the tally when no where did anyone ever tell you that the pet with the most number of votes would be implemented. That was an assumption you made and you're basing your entire argument on it.

Also, never once did I say the choice of the hippo was random. That was something else created in your mind. The developers chose that pet based on the feedback from all of the forums AND their own plans.

There is nothing contradictory about anything that I've said. You just keep screaming about 44 votes and that only the Japanese forum matters. There are plenty of other considerations that go into decisions like this but you are blatantly ignoring them.

And even if I were to believe your theory behind all of this, I would still think that you are being ridiculous. Japanese game, Japanese development team, Japanese player base - you really have no reason to be angry.

[Sasaraixx]

Ugh. That is what I get for posting from my phone. I will edit and finish this later. My apologies.

[xbobx]

Sasaraixx, it was implied. They didn't have to come right out and say it. They said enough for a reasonable person to understand it as that, vote, that one wins. If it wasn't, then it is just another case of poor communication from SE's part.

They said here is a list of pets the development team are willing to implement, please tell us which one you would like to see. Now in that, yes, there isn't enough to make that assumption. But then they started talking about voting and tallying up the votes. It is implied that if you vote for something then the winning vote wins. You don't have be direct.

They implied, and almost everyone but you seemed understood that as the purpose of their post. I am not going to say you are straight out wrong, because you are not technically, but that is what there intent was, winning vote would implemented. Even the recent post from them proves that was their intent.

[Selzak]

You're trying buts still failing. I never said that your votes didn't matter. I said that you are to fixated by the tally when no where did anyone ever tell you that the pet with the most number of votes would be implemented. That wad an assumption you made and your basing your entire argument on it.

Also, never once did I say the choice of the hippo was random. That was something else created in your mind. The developers chose that pet based on the feedback from all of the forums AND thet own plans.

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Feedback is feedback, but why was it handled the way that it was? There's a Japanese Hippogryph staring you in the face that you don't seem to want to consider. You say the votes didn't really matter, or that they were considered but at the end it was the development team's decision- but why that decision? Why the Japanese favorite and not the three others that had more votes?

I'm trying but failing what, exactly? You've done nothing but circle around the issue and tell us to get out of the center.

[FrankReynolds]

You're trying buts still failing. I never said that your votes didn't matter. I said that you are to fixated by the tally when no where did anyone ever tell you that the pet with the most number of votes would be implemented. That wad an assumption you made and your basing your entire argument on it.

Also, never once did I say the choice of the hippo was random. That was something else created in your mind. The developers chose that pet based on the feedback from all of the forums AND thet own plans.

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Notice that they didn't say "We are conducting a poll, please tell us what your favorite animal is."

But they did say "Tell us what jug pet you would like to see implimented"
and then " And... based on your feedback!...................Hippogryph"

[Sasaraixx]

Sasaraixx, it was implied. They didn't have to come right out and say it. They said enough for a reasonable person to understand it as that, vote, that one wins. If it wasn't, then it is just another case of poor communication from SE's part.

They said here is a list of pets the development team are willing to implement, please tell us which one you would like to see. Now in that, yes, there isn't enough to make that assumption. But then they started talking about voting and tallying up the votes. It is implied that if you vote for something then the winning vote wins. You don't have be direct.

I would think that a reasonable person who has played this game for as long as we have would have known better than to imply anything. Knowing the way the development team operates and all of the other things they take into consideration before they make any decision, I viewed this purely as a way of getting feedback to help make their decision. And from where I sit that looks exactly what happened.

Now I will cut you some slack because I assume you weren't following the JP thread as well. If you read the Japanese posts about this you would see that there was no mention of voting or tallying votes. Mocchi simply asked the posters to let them know which pet from the list below they would like implemented. There were no subsequent posts about which pet was winning or needing to choose between only two. In fact, they had not heard anything since Mocchi's post listing the group of pets being considered.

They implied, and almost everyone but you seemed understood that as the purpose of their post. I am not going to say you are straight out wrong, because you are not technically, but that is what there intent was, winning vote would implemented. Even the recent post from them proves that was their intent.

Actually, it doesn't. All Camate said was that the selection was based on all regions. He also said that the development team has to look at all aspects of any implementation and make the final call themselves. I don't see how you read that to say what you are claiming.