What new Jug Pets would you like to see 91-99?

[Logandor]

Our Representative is doing the best he can. I am not picking sides or anything of the sort but I was a little hurt the our top pick on these forums were not added at all to the list. I was thinking why couldn't the top picks from all the forums be implemented. ANYWAYS square enix made its decision based on what their developers could handle in the beastmaster pet department. Sadly I do think we should of been given a prechoice of what they could and could not handle to make as pets. Hippo is going to be interesting and yes I was one of the few who did ask for scrop. I thought that bug would be a fun one to have out and around but the idea of a hippo following is just creepy and giving evil ideas of trying it out on notorious monsters.
I am glad though we are at least even getting any jug pets at all for the update. They could of just said no new pets and just gave us gear instead. I do understand this forum is upset with the out come at least a good portion but try to think positive. I do think that our Representative hears us loud and clear but (in my opinion) due to their customer service is having a hard time trying to give us a straight answer.
Please I know people are upset but lets at least find out what what the pets they did choose abilities will be and the new pets names.

[Selzak]

You still aren't getting it. I don't know how many more times you need to have it explained to you.

Everyone is wrong, you are right.

Look at what has happened in context. The Hippogryph is being implemented, why? The significance of the Hippogryph being fourth is that he said the decision was based on all of the regions' votes together and not just the EN forum, yet the overall votes have Hippogryph at fourth, so why Hippogryph and not the three ahead of it?

Because of a mysterious development team decision that has absolutely nothing to do with it being the Japanese forum's top pick? The fact that you don't see why everyone around you is upset and are just sitting here pretending like everything is fine and we're all confused is laughable.


We're not saying that we expected our winner to be implemented. We're not saying that we were promised that they'd even implement the overall winner (although this was definitely expected, and should have been). The problem is that it wasn't the first overall choice, it wasn't the second overall choice (because, maybe the first choice wouldn't work), it wasn't the third overall choice (hell, maybe neither the first nor the second choices worked- but then you have to ask why they included them in the vote in the first place), but it was the fourth overall choice...the one that the Japanese posters picked.

You have to be wearing some very thick glasses not to see a problem with that.

[Gannon]

I think this shows us that we need to put our votes not in the NA thread but in the JP one instead.

[Atoreis]

I think this shows us that we need to put our votes not in the NA thread but in the JP one instead.

Im pretty sure we are linked to our accounts and those accounts have some info where we live so that wont work.

My guess is much simpler. They didnt count the number of votes for each pet at all. Camate did and gave a report of Scorp won. Someone from german forum made a report and said hippo won. Someone from French forum made a report that none voted. Someone from JP forum made a report that Hippo won. Then someone who is responsible for summing up those reports and give final report to devs just ignored the numbers of vote but just took the winners from all regions (maybe even he had instruction that he should just pass the winners for each regions). SO in the end even that Camate passed the number of votes it didnt need to be in final report that devs got. They could only get German Hippo EN Scorp JP hippo French none so they decided ok lets make a hippo. Blame the system and flow of information in big corporations

[xiozen]

Or to put it very simply: The Dev team made a "decision" to implement what they wanted. Simple. Camate asked for our "opinion", we gave it, it was asked for in the form of a vote.. we voted.. our opinions were noted... the Dev team made a decision... end of story. I think everyone needs to chill.

[Sasaraixx]

Everyone is wrong, you are right.

Look at what has happened in context. The Hippogryph is being implemented, why? The significance of the Hippogryph being fourth is that he said the decision was based on all of the regions' votes together and not just the EN forum, yet the overall votes have Hippogryph at fourth, so why Hippogryph and not the three ahead of it?

Because of a mysterious development team decision that has absolutely nothing to do with it being the Japanese forum's top pick? The fact that you don't see why everyone around you is upset and are just sitting here pretending like everything is fine and we're all confused is laughable.


We're not saying that we expected our winner to be implemented. We're not saying that we were promised that they'd even implement the overall winner (although this was definitely expected, and should have been). The problem is that it wasn't the first overall choice, it wasn't the second overall choice (because, maybe the first choice wouldn't work), it wasn't the third overall choice (hell, maybe neither the first nor the second choices worked- but then you have to ask why they included them in the vote in the first place), but it was the fourth overall choice...the one that the Japanese posters picked.

You have to be wearing some very thick glasses not to see a problem with that.

The problem is that you are being stubborn to the point of being childlike. You tell me to look at context but you are completely unable to do so. I've already told you that no where in any of Camate or Mocchi's posts did they say that the pet with the most number of votes would be selected. You cling onto this fourth place ranking like it proves something. It doesn't.

You then hear that the hippo was the winner on the German forum as well and you still don't seem to care. Since numbers seem to matter so much to you, here are two for you: 2 to 1. That is the report that was probably sent by community reps. The dev team didn't know/care that scorpion had 44 votes or however many you think it did. They only know that the hippo was the clear winner in 2 of the 3 forums. End of story.

I also told you that the dev team had other considerations when they made the decision and that your feedback (which is all it was. Feedback.) was considered among them. What did Camate tell you? The exact same thing.

And I've already asked why you continue to rant and complain about favoritism for the Japanese players in a Japanese game that is played primarily by Japanese if you really think that is the case. It's actually a bit ironic because you wanted the dev team to base their decisions on the most votes cast, but are upset because you think they are playing favorites to the largest player base.

If you want to continue to be upset about something that I really think you shouldn't be then that is your prerogative. I was just trying to help you see the bigger picture but you have decided that you are mad and you want to stay mad. Have fun with that. I can only watch a person bang their head against a wall for so long.

Or to put it very simply: The Dev team made a "decision" to implement what they wanted. Simple. Camate asked for our "opinion", we gave it, it was asked for in the form of a vote.. we voted.. our opinions were noted... the Dev team made a decision... end of story. I think everyone needs to chill.

At least someone is being reasonable.

[xbobx]

"Sadly I do think we should of been given a prechoice of what they could and could not handle to make as pets."

Actually they did do that, they gave us a list of pets that SE was willing to include as a jug, scorp was on that list.

[Selzak]

For those of you who voted for scorpion, I understand your disappointment. However, please realize that though this was the number one pick for EN players, this selection was based off of all regions. Also, please keep in mind that the dev. team needs to consider all aspects of potential implementation and therefore has to make the final call themselves.

Trust me when I say that your feedback is not a waste of time and you are not being ignored. I make sure that your opinions are properly conveyed to the development as best as I can and I continue to work with them, following up when necessary, to bring them updates and any new suggestions you have.

This has nothing to do with getting what we want, and everything to do with the JP side getting exactly what they want despite the actual votes from all regions. In other words, if you come in here today and say, "Hey guys, we're going to add the scorpion too since you wanted it so bad!" I don't think a single person would be appeased. It's just not the issue.

Camate, on your end I fully believe that we're being listened to. You do a tremendous amount of work for us and you can trust me too when I say that it doesn't go unacknowledged. However, we do need for the actual problem here to be acknowledged and addressed regardless of whether or not you personally are listening to us.

The question remains:

Why did the development team choose the Japanese favorite despite it being the fourth overall pick? What happened to the three choices that had more overall votes than the hippogryph?

[Choerilos]

"NA" forum also has a little problem, French forum mostly attracts French people, German forum mostly Germans, Japanese mostly Japanese. "NA" forum has a HUGE ammount of Europeans and other people in it too. So this isnt even about 4 regions. Considering the French and German forums to be equal to "NA" is just weird.

From now on official votings should just have 1 central topic in either Japanese or English (NA) forum, and seperate topics in the other languages to redirect to that central voting topic. Discussions can happen in the seperate topics, official central topic just for votes and nothing else. Will make things easier and a lot more fair.

Not going to help with this current situation but might be a handy system for the future.

[Felren]

Occupy Vanadiel!!!!

The Japanese big LS corporations making billions of gil of profit every year are running our game. We only have the illusion of a vote as we don't have the monetary power to actually make a difference.

The mog bonanza has been bailing out these big LS corporations lining their pockets with millions of gil every year!