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[Dallas]

Al, do you really think you've earned any new rights to demand data from me since wiki? I've been cleaning up your mess for years.

[Razushu]

Still waiting for you to come forward with this 100% accurate formula and well established rules. Until you do, you're talking out your behind more than he is.

You NEVER present actual data or evidence, you always attack the person, a fallicious method of argument.

Because he can't AL, he has nothing but that approach, and even in that method he fails.

[Kimble]

Dallas is just a troll. Its pretty pointless to ask him to actually back up what he says because he has no proof.

All you can do is make sure to let it be known hes wrong and not worth listening to, so other players dont get false information and get lead down the wrong path.

[Greatguardian]

Dallas is just a troll. Its pretty pointless to ask him to actually back up what he says because he has no proof.

All you can do is make sure to let it be known hes wrong and not worth listening to, so other players dont get false information and get lead down the wrong path.

At this point, after he's ruined so many threads with his tripe, anyone who listens to a word he says deserves what comes to them. He is a massive troll, and it's simply not worth responding to him at all.

[Byrth]

Sorry, I kind of forgot about this where this thread was headed.

I don't feel obligated to establish formulas that govern avatar melee. It would be interesting if someone did it, and I'd probably read it, but it's a lot of work for a pretty minimal reward considering how little we can affect it and how small its contribution to damage is. The real interesting reason to work on this has nothing at all to do with Avatars. The reason to work on this is that the same equations probably govern monster -> player damage dealt, so by learning about them we could finally answer the question of "How much defense is X% PDT worth?"

As far as avatars are concerned, most important parts (shown mostly by Kegsay) are:
* A large fraction of Avatar's base damage come from fSTR, which is uncapped.
* Avatars likely have high attack.

If you want to prove them to yourself, repeat the test that I did.

[Dallas]

If you want to prove Byrth wrong, you fight a dozen things and try to draw a straight line. I did it years ago, and have moved on to the better things. There's no chance in hell I'm pretending you are an authority on SMN. Your source came to me, so lol@u.

Really, what sort of rancid site is Bat Galkan HQ now where a single data point (lolbyrth) or excel spreadsheet (lolgg) is proof? I've seen anecdotal evidence from Al that's more informed than either of you, and that's pathetic.

[Alhanelem]

This popcorn is delicious. Mmmmmm....

[Razushu]

This popcorn is delicious. Mmmmmm....

It sure is, glad I bought the extra large or I think I'd have run out before now.

[Byrth]

Oh well, good luck Elementa. At least you're not on my server. It wouldn't even really matter if you were, because Summoner is essentially incapable of affecting its own damage output beyond AF3+2 body and BP delay gear, both of which I'm sure you already use. So you might be a bad player, but it's hard for even a bad player to be a bad summoner.

[Soranika]

I dunno Byrth... low summoning magic means horrible MP management. Out side abyssea, it means more smn on their knees or not using blood pacts every 5 minutes. Inside abyssea.... who still cares about what goes on in abyssea?