Thoughts on the FFXI Job Adjustment Manifesto

[Zhronne]

Regen IV is lvl79 for SCH.

Can you check how much it regens at level 79 and level 80? If it is level-dependant and nothing else I guess the buffs might happen in tiers too (like... every 5 levels?) and not every level.
Sounds like your level hypothesys is likely anyway.

Could just be strictly level related though as SE mentioned is the case for the helix series.

I *THINK* SE said they're gonna do the level thing for Helix sometime in the future, but it's not currently developed.
They wrote:

"*Planned future adjustments call for the effect duration of these spells to vary by job level, starting at a shorter duration and gradually increasing to its original duration at level 60."

Sounds to me that atm on test server the duration is still the same.

Regen yes, Haste NO.

Why? I mean I fully agree in Haste not being accessionable with /SCH, but imho SCH main should be able to, why not?
From next level cap we're gonna get haste from /RDM, would be a nice SCH-only thing to be able to accession Haste. Why are you against it?
And that Regen IV not being accessionable is so bullshit.
Did they mention that in official patch notes (like haste, refresh II etc) or is it something "unintentional"?
I see no reason not to make it accessionable, even for WHM.
Can anybody test if it works on test servers atm?

[Neisan_Quetz]

No spell Scholar cannot access via main or sub is accessionable, nor is haste/reraise/ probably something else I can't remember.

[Zhronne]

Klimaform lasts 3min vs. the old 1min. I'll actually bother using the thing now. Shame you can't use perpetuance with it. ;/

Wow... means you can fulltime it.
Previously I used to go with Alacrity+Klimaform to reduce the recast.
A bit off-topic, but anybody did thoroughful tests on Savant's Loafers+2 and Klimaform?
Do you need to have them equipped when you finish casting the spell, or can you swap into them whenever the buff is active to receive the bonus?
If it's the first (as I think), do you lose the bonus if you unequip them?


Waiting to see how mighty Regen will be under Tabula Rasa. Let's suppose 2x Time 2x Potency: 100 hp for ~400 seconds (perpetuance) and that stacks with Embrava's ~50 hp.
Whoa... 150hp regen, that's hot lol xD (wow... I just unwillingly made a genious word-joke with that "HoT" there xD)
What can I say... I'm really happy so far.
Bit sad about the long casting time, but hopefully at 99 we'll get another fast cast trait for Grimoire, can also use Siegel Sash etc.

This totally does NOT fix the issue of missing a stronger single target heal (be it C5 or C4+ or whatever else) and so, all in all, it doesn't fixes the issues SCH is currently experiencing while trying to be a healer. But nonetheless it's a welcome and nice buff which can only make things better compared to now.
There's still hope that they're gonna add some more bits here and there before they release this update anyway

[xStealth]

First post, and I didn't read the entire thread and I'm certain its been said more than once, but I just wanted to take this time to thank SE for their brilliant work in making SCH useless for yet another event, Voidwatch. Really SE? Good job.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Why? I mean I fully agree in Haste not being accessionable with /SCH, but imho SCH main should be able to, why not?
From next level cap we're gonna get haste from /RDM, would be a nice SCH-only thing to be able to accession Haste. Why are you against it?
And that Regen IV not being accessionable is so bullshit.
Did they mention that in official patch notes (like haste, refresh II etc) or is it something "unintentional"?
I see no reason not to make it accessionable, even for WHM.
Can anybody test if it works on test servers atm?

The point being Haste is not even learned by SCH, Why should they be the best at using it.

I'd be fine with it being Accessionable if WHM got Hastega, but since they're not it should just stick to being a nice SMN AoE buff only.

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Regen IV was blocked because originally it was WHM only, the general rule is if SCH can't learn it or /subjob it then it's not accession-able, the only exception to the rule I know of is Haste.

[Zhronne]

No spell Scholar cannot access via main or sub is accessionable, nor is haste/reraise/ probably something else I can't remember.

It's 4:30 AM so my brain is probably not computing something out of your sentence but what do you really mean?
That only spells that SCH gets on its own (without sub involved) can be accessionable?
That's wrong, think about Refresh, you can accession that if I recall and you get it through subjob. Think about Stoneskin, long time ago SCH didn't have it but you could still accession it, same for Phalanx (/RDM), or other spikes spells or en-spells etc.

So, supposing I really got what you meant, you're wrong.
If I missed your point sorry, I blame the late hour!

[Kaisha]

lvl79 - Regen4 - 42hp/tic naked
lvl80 - Regen4 - 44hp/tic naked



Also, something I posted over on BG -

244dmg Cryohelix on an EP eye in Beau[S] w/ Ice weather, Hailstorm, Aquillo's, Ice Obi, Twilight Cape, Klimaform, +2 hat w/ Ebullience and other standard crap. Lasted 130 seconds, took roughly 75% HP away from full.

No idea how that compares to the old helix since I rarely used the damn thing on SCH thanks to its MP cost vs. modern day mobs dying too fast for DoT to matter outside of VW.

For 26mp with the adjustments I'm not complaining though. Best dmg-to-MP ratio in the game now.

[Zhronne]

The point being Haste is not even learned by SCH, Why should they be the best at using it.

Because SCH currently suffer during Light Arts compared to other healers. Well not much compared to RDM maybe (who already have enhanced lasting time for their buffs, thanks to AF3+2, without wasting Perpetuance charges like SCH have to), but definitely compared to WHM.
If they really decide not to give us a new single target healing spell, they could at least give more unique things.
After all "Accession" is a SCH trademark, making it "more powerful" when used on main job (i.e. making it work on spells that wouldn't normally work when /SCH) doesn't seem so wrong to me, does it?
Hope I managed to show what I really meant.

In all honesty it wouldn't be gamebreaking and it wouldn't even make SCH particularly desirable, it would just be a "little bit", but together with many other "little bits" (like the regen stuff etc) it could provide the right amount of "unique" stuff SCH need to stand on its own.


@Kaisha
130 seconds... that's more than 2x the time it used to last before? Impressive. Wonder in change they "nerfed" the formula that calculates the damage of the tics based on the initial damage. Hope that's not the case.
Also the new mp cost... is insane in terms of efficiency.
With such a long last time 5/5 modus veritas in group #1 becomes a powerful instrument. Altough considering its 99,99999% resist rate on NMs I may have been too optimistic :P
Any word on the tics? Still same unique timings as they were before? (round 9 secs if I recall)

[Neisan_Quetz]

It's 4:30 AM so my brain is probably not computing something out of your sentence but what do you really mean?
That only spells that SCH gets on its own (without sub involved) can be accessionable?
That's wrong, think about Refresh, you can accession that if I recall and you get it through subjob. Think about Stoneskin, long time ago SCH didn't have it but you could still accession it, same for Phalanx (/RDM), or other spikes spells or en-spells etc.

So, supposing I really got what you meant, you're wrong.
If I missed your point sorry, I blame the late hour!

Yes, you weren't reading it right. If its a spell Sch main could use, it was accensionable. If it's a spell Sch main could use via subjob, it was accensionable. Bar haste/reraise/w/e else I forgot no other spell was.

[Zhronne]

Yes, you weren't reading it right. If its a spell Sch main could use, it was accensionable. If it's a spell Sch main could use via subjob, it was accensionable. Bar haste/reraise/w/e else I forgot no other spell was.

Now this may sound as I'm trying to play dumb to troll you or something but I'm not, I just AM that dumb
I still don't get the point of what you wanted to say.
Yes, Haste is one of the exceptions, one of those spells that are not accessionable (no matter if you're SCH or /SCH) and it was said in official patch notes.
It's indeed that way.
I was just saying that while I agree with this policy for /SCH, I wish they would change it for SCH, making so a SCH main can accession Haste, whereas /SCH still cannot.