Hvergelmir WTF SE

[Alhanelem]

I find that Hvergelmir isn't useless on the SMNs I see use it...

Do they ever engage in the actual fight? No, they're not stupid.

They TP pre fight, burn through their MP, pop myrkr, and then switch staves/use meds.

I mean if you're going to hit something, why bring a stick to an axe fight

But it's a much harder stick!

[Leonlionheart]

lol still as noob as ever Dallas

[Dallas]

You got me, I have NEVER even thought about wielding axe on SMN.

[scaevola]

The only benefit of Hver is the +MP for PD.

i see what you did there

[Dallas]

Hey, it is more mp than Ukon, so cut our BG SMN some slack.

[Soranika]

You got me, I have NEVER even thought about wielding axe on SMN.

inb4 rune chopper

[Dallas]

I know of it, but noob me didn't actually think to use it.

[Zemarin]

Embrava + Mythic = GG

[Malamasala]

With Hvergelmir 85, I've found myself doing near equal damage with avatar normal attacks

A melee SMN usually out-damage their own avatars when it comes to normal attacks. At least I've always done it with my crappy staffs in the past. Depends on target of course, I know on cerberus at 75 my avatars hit harder than DRKs so I'd assume if I ever had meleed cerberus with staff, I'd have done pitiful damage.

[Byrth]

A melee SMN usually out-damage their own avatars when it comes to normal attacks. At least I've always done it with my crappy staffs in the past. Depends on target of course, I know on cerberus at 75 my avatars hit harder than DRKs so I'd assume if I ever had meleed cerberus with staff, I'd have done pitiful damage.

Avatars, pets, and monsters don't have any level correction in their pDIF for melee attacks. That's why low level monsters (like level 75 stuff) still hit you so hard without any buffs. Level 75 players fighting level 95 monsters (like Jorm) did comparatively crap damage even with Minuets. They sure weren't meleeing for 160 damage like the Nightmare monsters fighting me. That's also why Avatars hit harder than DRKs on Cerberus at 75.

Avatar BPs may suffer from level correction, though it's less clear. All we really know is that Avatar BP pDIF is different than Avatar melee pDIF. You've seen Kegsay's data, which is really all I'm basing this off of anyway.