Sooo.... Emps?

[Shadowsong]

[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.] where does the mog tell you they come from voidwatch?

Where is your proof it does not come from Voidwatch?
Why are you so adamant against this? You know what a sane person would say if they disagreed with this? "Hey guys, while it probably does come from Voidwatch since that's the only thing that has upgraded content, let's wait until we get some screenshots and such before discussing wether it is worth doing or not". I promise you will get a better response.

[MarkovChain]

Seeing as tier 2 Voidwatch was done on the test server with 1 person getting a plate in their chest what more proof do you need?

This is wrong.

Where is your proof it does not come from Voidwatch?

Just because you want it to come from VW does not make it correct. I don't have to prove what you quoted simply because I didn't claim it doh, just have to wait until the JP find it [Comment deleted by Moderator.]

[Runespider]

Seeing as tier 2 Voidwatch was done on the test server with 1 person getting a plate in their chest what more proof do you need?

As far as I was aware the test server gave no drops, was that not the case?

[Lordscyon]

WoE weaponds is better than nothing stop overating EmP
People can decide what they wana get in the game + its a game.

[noodles355]

I guess if you think back to pre-2h buff when dual world ruled the world, A WoE weapon was like the Joyeuse to an Empy's Ridill for War/Nin.

Invites the question, if a job is subpar without an empyrean, then are you a subpar player if you dont have an empyrean for all your jobs (who make use of one)? By the logic of "if you dont have an empyrean, your job is sub par" (exluding jobs with lol empyreans like drg), even if you had the best possible TP sets, WS sets, capped MDT and PDT sets and any other various sets your job might require like magic casting or evasion, etc, even if you couldn't physically improve any of your gear sets, if you didn't have an empyrean, you are still subpar? Not sure I agree with that really, or at least not for certain jobs based on the strengths of their existing main weaponskill and which empyrean path they take. Take a WAR who had near-perfect TP, WS (Covering all combinations of zerk/agg/restraint), PDT, MDT sets, but who leveled the job to help the ls or help him gain gear for his other jobs and who thus said "fuck doing glavoid for this job". I certainly wouldn't call him subpar.

Edit: To be honest, by saying "everyone without an empyrean is below average", I think you are grossly overestimating the community. The great majority of players are still running around in NQ/+1 AF3 and perle/aurore/teal gear. The average player is actually very bad. The bar is set pretty fucking low. For example, I leveled Nin to 90 on my alt from 75. His gear is very below average, he has no AF3 yet and uses mostly 75 stuff. (Off the top of my head: turban/Acc+12 neck/Suppa/Brutal/AF1/Dusk/Uthalam/Rajas/Atheling/Swift/Byakko/Ballerines TP, Shura/Acc+12/Ethreal/Brutal/Hauby/Dusk/Uhalem/Rajas/Atheling/Warwolf/Shura/Rutters WS). I would be the first to call him gimp, and I would never use him as anything other than a red proc bitch job on Nin. However, he is still easilly better than the majority of the players in this game. Not because I'm a super duper awesome player (even though I am), but because the standard of the average player is really damn low.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Depends on the job, since obviously Mage emps are mostly toys and as stated for Drg the OAT polearm is fairly close inside (Although I think Rhongo does better outside, and obv mythic destroys both. With the level 95 update to relics Gugnir also got better).

If they are serious about the job and aren't working on either Emp/WoE weapon when that is the biggest boost to the job, then yes, you can call them at best, just about average. If the boost from Emp is irrelevant then no.

I consider people like that a waste of time, and only bother with them out of boredom/extreme desperation because no one else is online. There really isn't a need to even consider those type of player, even jobs considered terrible at DDing (cept maybe blm and Smn) would be better than those kind of players.

[xiozen]

Strange they would make you do an event unrelated to where the weapons come from to carry on, rather lazy attempt to make voidwatch more popular.

Didn't the beginning of the trials require NMs scattered throughout Vanadiel?

Trial 68: Tumbling Truffle x3
Trial 69: Helldiver x3
Trial 70: Orctrap x3
Trial 71: Intulo x4
Trial 72: Ramponneau x4
Trial 73: Keeper of Halidom x4
Trial 74: Shoggoth x6
Trial 75: Farruca Fly x6
Trial 1138: Chesma x8

These had nothing to do with Abyssea directly... soooo how's this any different, requiring drops from voidwatch? 'O.o'"?
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[Greatguardian]

I guess if you think back to pre-2h buff when dual world ruled the world, A WoE weapon was like the Joyeuse to an Empy's Ridill for War/Nin.

Invites the question, if a job is subpar without an empyrean, then are you a subpar player if you dont have an empyrean for all your jobs (who make use of one)? By the logic of "if you dont have an empyrean, your job is sub par" (exluding jobs with lol empyreans like drg), even if you had the best possible TP sets, WS sets, capped MDT and PDT sets and any other various sets your job might require like magic casting or evasion, etc, even if you couldn't physically improve any of your gear sets, if you didn't have an empyrean, you are still subpar? Not sure I agree with that really, or at least not for certain jobs based on the strengths of their existing main weaponskill and which empyrean path they take. Take a WAR who had near-perfect TP, WS (Covering all combinations of zerk/agg/restraint), PDT, MDT sets, but who leveled the job to help the ls or help him gain gear for his other jobs and who thus said "fuck doing glavoid for this job". I certainly wouldn't call him subpar.

Edit: To be honest, by saying "everyone without an empyrean is below average", I think you are grossly overestimating the community. The great majority of players are still running around in NQ/+1 AF3 and perle/aurore/teal gear. The average player is actually very bad. The bar is set pretty fucking low. For example, I leveled Nin to 90 on my alt from 75. His gear is very below average, he has no AF3 yet and uses mostly 75 stuff. (Off the top of my head: turban/Acc+12 neck/Suppa/Brutal/AF1/Dusk/Uthalam/Rajas/Atheling/Swift/Byakko/Ballerines TP, Shura/Acc+12/Ethreal/Brutal/Hauby/Dusk/Uhalem/Rajas/Atheling/Warwolf/Shura/Rutters WS). I would be the first to call him gimp, and I would never use him as anything other than a red proc bitch job on Nin. However, he is still easilly better than the majority of the players in this game. Not because I'm a super duper awesome player (even though I am), but because the standard of the average player is really damn low.

A player who is competent and capable enough to perfect their gear is more than competent and capable enough to acquire an Empyrean weapon. I'm not going to knock someone who is actually making non-Malacite levels of progress on their first, but it is a reasonable expectation that any good player is capable of getting as many Empyreans as they want with minimal issue. These are not Relic or Mythic weapons. If a player is capped on gear, but is not pursuing a relevant Empyrean (obviously this only counts for the jobs where the Emps matter), then they are doing something wrong.

Likewise, if we really cared about the actual average gear and skill for players in this game, full perle would be a luxury. Personally, I choose not to add the unwashed masses into the equation at all. I, for one, would never want to be told "Eh, your NIN is a total gimp, but at least it's better than Rosina's". What does that do for me? Why should I, or anyone else with half an ounce of self respect, want to be compared to people who run around in 4/5 perle and NQ AF3?

Among players who are worth playing with, a relevant Empyrean weapon makes the job average. If a non-Empyrean is the best weapon for the job, then that makes the job average. None of the final form Magian weapons are especially difficult to get.

Edit: LOL Real Life Card above me. Holy crap, dude. I play, uh... an average of an hour or two a week as a fulltime student? I have two Empyreans, multiple sets of AF3+2, and all around way better crap than 99% of the game populace. Get the hell out with that "Some of us have priorities" crap.

[Elexia]

WoE weaponds is better than nothing stop overating EmP
People can decide what they wana get in the game + its a game.

You're not allowed to state "it's just a game".

[Tamoa]

nice a-hole comment. Maybe you have no life, you sit in your basement playing nothing but ffxi and only taking a break when you need to pee and masturbate, but many other people actually do not have the luxury of having as much spare time as you. So it has nothing to do with being lazy, it has to do with priorities in real life, which you seem not to have any.

You realize by posting something like that you have just revealed what kind of person you are, and it's nothing positive.