Sooo.... Emps?

[Juilan]

I can see the HMP coming from VW, but if they require some where from 750 to 1500 kills thats asking too much (since you can only pop so many monsters a day), if you can get about 25 from a pouch or w/e it wouldn't be too much of an issue, since 1500/25 is 60 (will still take over a month). I read someone saying he fully farmed an apoc in about a month doing dynamis so having it take longer than a month of constant VW (you can get about 2 Void watch stones a day without IS CP or AN?) is reasonable for a 95.

although it is still the wrong end to balance the weapons, if they wanted to balance them make us do extra NM camps and get plates or w/e, give us multiple part trials that are accessible in that case. The counter part to these is dynamis currency which is very accessible if you actually do dynamis (though the 100s could use a higher drop rate compared to what they have been)

[Catsby]

Empryeans are still great weapons. SE is just balancing out the time/reward ratio. If you want to stay top tier it's time for Emp people to put in work too.

I think you meant to say something different. 1500 drops off a HNM fight for +2 stat and +6ish base damage is hardly a good example of time/reward.

[Cream_Soda]

I think you meant to say something different. 1500 drops off a HNM fight for +2 stat and +6ish base damage is hardly a good example of time/reward.

they mean the entirety of an emp weapon, not that stage specifically

[Greatguardian]

I call bs. Unless someone botted you for your emp or did all the work getting KI for you.

None of the above. I don't bot, I never have, and I probably never will. I Cataclysm-cleaved all of my Tahrongi pops (was one of the original people doing this and spreading information about it on BG), and was always present and working throughout the duration of my Emps, even when other friends of mine were just afk leeching EXP off me. I have friends who I can log on with and go do things with immediately without having to wait around and try to find people for things, and that's really the only advantage I have over "most" people. But honestly, having friends is not cheating.

I'm a dedicated student with a social life, a girlfriend, and a hell of a lot of other things I do outside of playing FFXI. I'm sorry that you seem to think anyone who's better than you at a video game has to be a low life basement dweller with no friends and no commitments, but you're dead wrong. I have priorities. I'm just plain better at FFXI than you, and you're just going to have to get the hell over that.

[Catsby]

I can see the HMP coming from VW, but if they require some where from 750 to 1500 kills thats asking too much (since you can only pop so many monsters a day), if you can get about 25 from a pouch or w/e it wouldn't be too much of an issue, since 1500/25 is 60 (will still take over a month). I read someone saying he fully farmed an apoc in about a month doing dynamis so having it take longer than a month of constant VW (you can get about 2 Void watch stones a day without IS CP or AN?) is reasonable for a 95.

although it is still the wrong end to balance the weapons, if they wanted to balance them make us do extra NM camps and get plates or w/e, give us multiple part trials that are accessible in that case. The counter part to these is dynamis currency which is very accessible if you actually do dynamis (though the 100s could use a higher drop rate compared to what they have been)

This is why the high level design of the mythic weapon quests was so good. There you basically had to 100% ToAU and got something nice for it. It failed miserably when the devs decided "oh well we should make people turn in 50,000 things, do all the assaults over again, and rack up an silly amount of Ichor". I'm pretty sure if alexandrite reqs were dropped to 1000, Ichor by 1/2 and assault do over removed people would still not bother since you still only get the 75 version and all the super fun trials after that.

The devs needed to take a hint from the mythic quests. There is a ton of content surrounding abyssea but instead they half assed it.

[Catsby]

they mean the entirety of an emp weapon, not that stage specifically

That seems about right. 50-50-75 is still bullshit in my opinion though. There are tons of other ways they could have structured it to be challenging and engaging.

[Atomic_Skull]

Seeing as tier 2 Voidwatch was done on the test server with 1 person getting a plate in their chest what more proof do you need? You seem like one of those people who want to argue for the sake of arguing.

I think it's more like he desperately, desperately hopes it's not true.

[Atomic_Skull]

Most likely it will be revised from 1500 or plate drops increased. Also, theres talk of mythic becoming 2-3 occ attack so perhaps empyrean will see 2-3x damage at 99. This seems likely to me and justifies the 1500 plates and whatever the final 99 upgrade trial contains.

I think it's more likely that with Tanaka back in charge of FFXI easy mode is being turned off. First day back on the job he probably looked at the last year of content and said "My god they've ruined it!"

[Kimble]

I love how people cried so much for FFXI to go back to how it was pre-abyssea and now that its starting to not be as easy as abyssea people are crying the game is going back to how it was pre-abyssea.

[noodles355]

A player who is competent and capable enough to perfect their gear is more than competent and capable enough to acquire an Empyrean weapon. I'm not going to knock someone who is actually making non-Malacite levels of progress on their first, but it is a reasonable expectation that any good player is capable of getting as many Empyreans as they want with minimal issue. These are not Relic or Mythic weapons. If a player is capped on gear, but is not pursuing a relevant Empyrean (obviously this only counts for the jobs where the Emps matter), then they are doing something wrong.

I see what you mean. When you concider yourself against the players you'd want to be around then it would be subpar. I was gonna say "What if I leveled Nin as a red proc bitch job to help with my empy farming, already got all it's +2 materials rot whilest farming and had other gear from other jobs already, but couldn't be bothered to do an emp/woe for a proc whore job, would it still be subpar?" But thinking about it, compared to the other players I like to play around, yes it would.

I'll be fine with my war, which I lvld as a red bitch proc job being subpar. But I will probably go for Empy/WoE for the others. Of Thf at least, might just do WoE bow for rng if it's got Arma already, and OAT for drg.