[Soap Box] {Lock On} & general charity shouts

[Kimble]

The trouble is the playing fields arent level out there. We all know people who use windower to see mobs "appear" long time before anyone else can see them. The amount of server lags also disadvantages the non pc users. So its not just everyone has the same chance of claiming the mobs, some people have a greater chance.

Wrong. Sorry.

[Rearden]

The trouble is the playing fields arent level out there. We all know people who use windower to see mobs "appear" long time before anyone else can see them. The amount of server lags also disadvantages the non pc users. So its not just everyone has the same chance of claiming the mobs, some people have a greater chance.

wawawawawawahaaat? Explain your demon magic sorcerer

[Greatguardian]

Oh lord. Really now?

Have you even played on PC/Windower before?

[Puck]

Lastly, please don't strawman or argue the exception to the rule.

I've seen a ton of people on this forum throw around the term "strawman" but none of them have used it correctly.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[Exxodus]

Hmm, the OP has brought up a topic that sounds very similar to a /shout arguement that took place in Port Jeuno earlier today, on Sylph. The group leader was shouting to set up a run for Ironclad Severer. The shout stated that the Wieldance Jewel was locked, and that the BLM, PUP, and SMN items, and Ardor Jewel were FL.

Someone started attacking the leader for "locking everything" and forcing people to do work for him for no reward. The attacker was very persistent that in order to make the run fair, that the leader should not be locking "all of the wieldance" jewels.

If this is what the OP is referencing, then I don't see this being a problem. As the arguement went on, the leader picked up people that all wanted seperate items, yes I was in the party for the Goetia Mantle, and there was absolutely nothing unfair about the way the drops were disturbuted.

However, there are some rediculous situations such as one I came across a few days ago. Someone was shouting for help with an NM and stated that the seals were FL and that they were proc'ing red for an atma. I wanted the atma and told the leader that I was also interested in one of the seals that no one was lotting on. I was told that I could only lot seals if I purchased a pop item. That was no big deal, I just decided to go get the atma and leave the seals for someone else.

When we got to the zone however, the leader said that he had only brought with him 1 of the 2 pop items, and that we had to farm the other. After putting in the time to farm half of the pop set, he still refused to let anyone else lot on any seals because they didn't purchase and bring with them the pop items. After the NM was defeated and everyone got the atma, he expected people to stick around and help him kill it again. Needless to say that didn't happen and a short time later he was back to shouting for help and again saying that the seals were FL.

Personally I don't care how many items a group leader wants to lock as long as I can get what I need from the run. If you can set up a run and lock 2 or 3 items and find people willing to help you because they need whatever items aren't locked, then there's nothing wrong with that. My only issue comes when they want to "call it" when they've gotten their items instead of sticking it out to help the rest of the group, or when they expect people to stay and help them for no reward or to lot against several people all wanting the same item, while they have sole claim over the rest.

[katz]

Oh lord. Really now?

Have you even played on PC/Windower before?

Im not talking about SE's version. Maybe people dont trust you enough with their specialist leet stuff.

[Greatguardian]

Im not talking about SE's version. Maybe people dont trust you enough with their specialist leet stuff.

No, I'm talking Windower. As in Aikar, Nitsuj, etc. Have you even played on it before? Because your lack of firsthand experience is astoundingly obvious in your posts.

[Shiyo]

The trouble is the playing fields arent level out there. We all know people who use windower to see mobs "appear" long time before anyone else can see them. The amount of server lags also disadvantages the non pc users. So its not just everyone has the same chance of claiming the mobs, some people have a greater chance.

This is gold, LOL

Your stupidity is showing.

[Kuishen]

The trouble is the playing fields arent level out there. We all know people who use windower to see mobs "appear" long time before anyone else can see them. The amount of server lags also disadvantages the non pc users. So its not just everyone has the same chance of claiming the mobs, some people have a greater chance.

Where can I get some of what you're smoking?

[noodles355]

The trouble is the playing fields arent level out there. We all know people who use windower to see mobs "appear" long time before anyone else can see them.

Oh really? If you could link me to where this feature is posted I would be very interested. I could use something like that.

(Legal: Not stating I use windower. Assume theoretical "If I used windower")