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  1. #161
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimble View Post
    Yes Elitist can be "annoying" but they are usually the ones that take the time to test and math things out that most of the player base is to lazy or unwilling to do.
    Nope. BG is full of trolls that spam the media thread QQing about how people are wrong on this forum or someone does not agree with them. There is actually a large minority of competent people overthere, and I count less than 2. But maybe you can list me more than 2 testers from BG ? I know byrth, kirshy and maybe yugl, otherwise they are are all pretty much clueless and definitely not elitist. I'm not sure if any of BG got their empy at the right time for instance, all of them just got it at the same time as the playerbase, aka past december haha. Elitism 101.
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    Last edited by MarkovChain; 09-10-2011 at 03:40 PM.

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  2. #162
    Player Concerned4FFxi's Avatar
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    yes runespider im so glad you shared my thoughts exactly. I dont want the cap quest to 95 to be hiddeously difficult or extremely annoying like the 80 cap was before they adjusted drop rates on kindred crests, but this is a joke like spider said and I agree 100% if its gonna be a joke just dont bother SE making it into a quest, just have it the mini game if you cant make it into a real quest I am sick and tired of kindred crest quests and merit points being an easy way to do level caps past 75.

    I want a challenge, like the other ones where, we are at 90 i think i deserve a little difficulty now and again. Take a long look at the pre-75 cap quests, while they where time consuming they felt so good to complete, now its just a mail in merit/kindred crest hoax. 76-90 were all the same junk, 91-99 should be a return to story and a little bit of an adventure, this is what veteran players are complaining about SE. By taking a challenging game and turning it into a casual play, you are destroying the loyal fan base. Guess what, the people who are casual players won't stay for long, a year or maybe two but its people like myself that enjoy the challenge of the game and have lined the SE coffers for years and will only continue to do so if the game keeps its appeal which challenges its players.

    I understand some functions of the game will be for casual playing and I have no problem with that, however if the cap quests are any prelude of the 99 endgame to come then I'll never buy another mmo from SE again becasue they had a better game before the updates and they would have an even better game now if a little bit of creative thought is put into the major quests like cap increases for players and their adventruring fellows (skyrim is about to be out soon, nows not the time to produce lame content).

    Now I've been seriously upset with the last 3 cap increases being so boring and crappy AND repeatitive, you repackaged the same quest i feel for the last three cap increases!!. I swear SE you are not listing one bit (or your listing to the wrong people) you made the last two cap increases for adventuring fellows like trash and if 95 is like this i just dont know anymore. Take a good long look at what you've done so far for all the cap quests. See how rich and detailed the others were. i can understand that some were difficult if you couldn't get help, and SE doesnt want that for 95 and i can agree to a point, but to make it more of the last three junkie merit garbage its just <i really really wanna start droping f-bombs, getting nasty and screaming my head off here people- i cant stress this to you any louder without losing your focus or being banned myself>.

    FYI - 99 better be good and yes i think 99 should be a maat type fight or something worthy of 99 (I'd like to see it be maat and his buddy from the last cap to 90 and tis time you have to fight both at the same time in a bcnm), if its just more hand me up some cap increase with my easy xp and heres your casual gameplay endgame and tell me to have fun, then your worse than the lobbyists here in the US.

    How hard can it be to add a ??? to throne room (S) for the quest to be completed or something. Sure somebody will complain and say, aaaawwwwhh we gotta go there to do 95 cap and get the ki from the ???. But to that I say lol, if at 90 you cant get a rr item, sneak and invisible, and go to throne room (S) then you dont deserve 95+. This would be more exciting than repeating the same thing i've seen the past three cap increases. I truly believed that you werent gonna do this a fourth time, i gave you a pass SE on the last three and told myself that you had to rush to 90 but 95 and 99 would be better. Prove to me that my faith was right because I'm having one huge case of regret.

    PS- i try not to get nasty in my posts and i think ive done a good job but this really burns me to the core and im not the only one here, while lots of people here seem to have been derailed from side topics in this posting, I think if you ask the player base they will tell you that this limit quest doesn't meet the standard and is unacceptable. What kinda junk is the 99 cap gonna be then? a flower from the flower store in jueno, oh and +20 merits right? maybe add a kindred high crest for lol too right? I dont like being sarcastic but at this point i just dont know what to say anymore the game I love is being watered down and I feel like im choking over here. /cry. Where did the quality go, when we asked for more content we didnt ask for it to held together with duck tape. I am flipping mad over here. An orcish ax, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? seriuosly, ignore this and other posts like this and ffxi will be dead and if you get the new psp ffxi access who's gonna be around to help the noobs? wont be me. I tell people to keep faith, catch up on your gear and quests now and endgame will come after 99cap, that the psp will bring new players, but i'm having trouble myself keeping the torch of hope lit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkovChain View Post
    Nope. BG is full of trolls that spam the media thread QQing about how people are wrong on this forum or someone does not agree with them. There is actually a large minority of competent people overthere, and I count less than 2. But maybe you can list me more than 2 testers from BG ? I know byrth, kirshy and maybe yugl, otherwise they are are all pretty much clueless and definitely not elitist. I'm not sure if any of BG got their empy at the right time for instance, all of them just got it at the same time as the playerbase, aka past december haha. Elitism 101.
    So by your own standards then, you are just as "bad" as they are then right? Since you got your weapon past December?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Concerned4FFxi View Post
    Guess what, the people who are casual players won't stay for long, a year or maybe two
    I got to this and realized you're an idiot.

    Casual player for seven and a half years here.
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    It's just a game. People come and go all the time.

    Lots of "casual" players play the game on and off for a long period of time. They don't play for many hours in one sitting, thus casual, but that doesn't mean they don't continue to play after months and years have passed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkovChain View Post
    Nope. BG is full of trolls that spam the media thread QQing about how people are wrong on this forum or someone does not agree with them. There is actually a large minority of competent people overthere, and I count less than 2. But maybe you can list me more than 2 testers from BG ? I know byrth, kirshy and maybe yugl, otherwise they are are all pretty much clueless and definitely not elitist. I'm not sure if any of BG got their empy at the right time for instance, all of them just got it at the same time as the playerbase, aka past december haha. Elitism 101.
    It's funny how Pchan says this, but acquired his ONE weapon much later then all those people on BG (who have done many by now) he has such a problem with. Did you ever even get that ONE set of empyrean armor for yourself or are you still rocking full usukane and thinking it's the best?

    And if anyone bothered to look at BG you'd find the 2 most informative things regarding FFXI ever in the history of FFXI.

    Whats Better?:
    http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/105811-What-s-Better

    Random Question Thread:
    http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/106...unzig-Luft-RQs
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    Last edited by wish12oz; 09-11-2011 at 01:34 AM.

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    [Insert comment about not wanting to read through pages of a thread to find an answer even though the search button is *right there* and actually works unlike other forums]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aver View Post
    [Insert comment about not wanting to read through pages of a thread to find an answer even though the search button is *right there* and actually works unlike other forums]
    Why would you search through the forums when you could just post the question, favorite the address, then come back in 12 hours and read replies? Those threads are there specifically so people can ask the same thing 50 times and not crap up the forum with new threads.
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    I personally thought that was frowned upon, but I just recently started posting again there too so I'm sure things have changed since the server change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Korpg View Post
    Only problem I personally have with the place is it's moderation.

    A problem that I have with people referencing that place as the end/all solution of all information from FFXI is that most of that information is public knowledge, and the only things that BG has contributed to the game is understanding of certain aspects of the game by way of mathematical know-how. But even then, some of the posts with "mathy parts" can be incorrect and some are using dated information. But you cannot say that the website is even close to be informational when most of the posters there are so stuck up each other's rumps that they cannot think for themselves and accept whatever certain posters type as gospel.

    I have never said that BG doesn't contribute, but don't take people's word for it only by sourcing them without verifying the source (which is what Gokku did at first).
    Every forum has it's own attitude and style that comes with pros and cons.

    FFXIAH can be informative via update dumps and isolated chatter but overall the site is moderated to hell (cmon, swear words warrant post deletion?) and the information to be gleamed from the site is little to none. I personally enjoy the non-FFXI sections more than the XI-related.

    ZAM's job forums had detailed information put up by individuals like Kinematics which were useful to better understanding your class but General is just a total mess and moderation over the years was so laissez-faire that the site suffered from an influx of stupid that was allowed to grow, mature and become part of the daily life of the site. If FFXIAH overmoderated, ZAM left the forums on autopilot.

    Official forums are a collection of whining to SE and trollposts with no intention other than to rub some crowd the wrong way. While some good things have arisen like Kingfury's art thread, the Haste and you thread, History of Vana'diel and mixed feedback that SE seems to be taking seriously, the forums are also burdened with stupidity like flying mounts, Vana'diel to the future! and "here's my new job class that sucks" threads.

    BG comes off as having a sophomoric attitude but many contributors run mundane tests that overall benefit the community. Sure, they'll be things like discussions of unsavory tools that make certain bloggists blood boil, insults hurled at the drop of a hat just for the sake of doing it or even bans handed out for being on the wrong side of a argument but overall if your skin is thick and follow the rules you'll find one of the most balanced XI forums still running.
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