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    Player TybudX's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    False on both counts. I don't always disagree, nor do I think I'm always right.

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    Seems like you have a hard time letting go.

    The first step, is acceptance. Perhaps when you do that, we can move on with the other steps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimble View Post
    Seems like you have a hard time letting go.

    The first step, is acceptance. Perhaps when you do that, we can move on with the other steps.
    I accepted that BG is a semi-informative website, with most of it derived from pointless bickering and inane measuring of each other's "e-peen."

    But you are right, the first step is acceptance. You should try that sometimes.
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    Korg in direct relation to the original topic of this post what have you contributed thus far?
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    Pretty sure most of the information you get are from people that post on BG as well. Just because YOU PERSONALLY have a problem with a place, doesn't make their information any less right.

    Yes Elitist can be "annoying" but they are usually the ones that take the time to test and math things out that most of the player base is to lazy or unwilling to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimble View Post
    Pretty sure most of the information you get are from people that post on BG as well. Just because YOU PERSONALLY have a problem with a place, doesn't make their information any less right.
    Only problem I personally have with the place is it's moderation.

    A problem that I have with people referencing that place as the end/all solution of all information from FFXI is that most of that information is public knowledge, and the only things that BG has contributed to the game is understanding of certain aspects of the game by way of mathematical know-how. But even then, some of the posts with "mathy parts" can be incorrect and some are using dated information. But you cannot say that the website is even close to be informational when most of the posters there are so stuck up each other's rumps that they cannot think for themselves and accept whatever certain posters type as gospel.

    I have never said that BG doesn't contribute, but don't take people's word for it only by sourcing them without verifying the source (which is what Gokku did at first).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Korpg View Post
    Only problem I personally have with the place is it's moderation.

    A problem that I have with people referencing that place as the end/all solution of all information from FFXI is that most of that information is public knowledge, and the only things that BG has contributed to the game is understanding of certain aspects of the game by way of mathematical know-how. But even then, some of the posts with "mathy parts" can be incorrect and some are using dated information. But you cannot say that the website is even close to be informational when most of the posters there are so stuck up each other's rumps that they cannot think for themselves and accept whatever certain posters type as gospel.

    I have never said that BG doesn't contribute, but don't take people's word for it only by sourcing them without verifying the source (which is what Gokku did at first).
    Every forum has it's own attitude and style that comes with pros and cons.

    FFXIAH can be informative via update dumps and isolated chatter but overall the site is moderated to hell (cmon, swear words warrant post deletion?) and the information to be gleamed from the site is little to none. I personally enjoy the non-FFXI sections more than the XI-related.

    ZAM's job forums had detailed information put up by individuals like Kinematics which were useful to better understanding your class but General is just a total mess and moderation over the years was so laissez-faire that the site suffered from an influx of stupid that was allowed to grow, mature and become part of the daily life of the site. If FFXIAH overmoderated, ZAM left the forums on autopilot.

    Official forums are a collection of whining to SE and trollposts with no intention other than to rub some crowd the wrong way. While some good things have arisen like Kingfury's art thread, the Haste and you thread, History of Vana'diel and mixed feedback that SE seems to be taking seriously, the forums are also burdened with stupidity like flying mounts, Vana'diel to the future! and "here's my new job class that sucks" threads.

    BG comes off as having a sophomoric attitude but many contributors run mundane tests that overall benefit the community. Sure, they'll be things like discussions of unsavory tools that make certain bloggists blood boil, insults hurled at the drop of a hat just for the sake of doing it or even bans handed out for being on the wrong side of a argument but overall if your skin is thick and follow the rules you'll find one of the most balanced XI forums still running.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimble View Post
    Yes Elitist can be "annoying" but they are usually the ones that take the time to test and math things out that most of the player base is to lazy or unwilling to do.
    Nope. BG is full of trolls that spam the media thread QQing about how people are wrong on this forum or someone does not agree with them. There is actually a large minority of competent people overthere, and I count less than 2. But maybe you can list me more than 2 testers from BG ? I know byrth, kirshy and maybe yugl, otherwise they are are all pretty much clueless and definitely not elitist. I'm not sure if any of BG got their empy at the right time for instance, all of them just got it at the same time as the playerbase, aka past december haha. Elitism 101.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkovChain View Post
    Nope. BG is full of trolls that spam the media thread QQing about how people are wrong on this forum or someone does not agree with them. There is actually a large minority of competent people overthere, and I count less than 2. But maybe you can list me more than 2 testers from BG ? I know byrth, kirshy and maybe yugl, otherwise they are are all pretty much clueless and definitely not elitist. I'm not sure if any of BG got their empy at the right time for instance, all of them just got it at the same time as the playerbase, aka past december haha. Elitism 101.
    So by your own standards then, you are just as "bad" as they are then right? Since you got your weapon past December?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkovChain View Post
    Nope. BG is full of trolls that spam the media thread QQing about how people are wrong on this forum or someone does not agree with them. There is actually a large minority of competent people overthere, and I count less than 2. But maybe you can list me more than 2 testers from BG ? I know byrth, kirshy and maybe yugl, otherwise they are are all pretty much clueless and definitely not elitist. I'm not sure if any of BG got their empy at the right time for instance, all of them just got it at the same time as the playerbase, aka past december haha. Elitism 101.
    It's funny how Pchan says this, but acquired his ONE weapon much later then all those people on BG (who have done many by now) he has such a problem with. Did you ever even get that ONE set of empyrean armor for yourself or are you still rocking full usukane and thinking it's the best?

    And if anyone bothered to look at BG you'd find the 2 most informative things regarding FFXI ever in the history of FFXI.

    Whats Better?:
    http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/105811-What-s-Better

    Random Question Thread:
    http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/106...unzig-Luft-RQs
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    Last edited by wish12oz; 09-11-2011 at 01:34 AM.

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