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  1. #51
    Player Chriscoffey's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gokku View Post
    oh you mean back when drk was seen as gods among men due to distortion skill chains and i would wait 1-2 weeks to get a party invite on monk since they cant do distortion till much later in the game? that time? cuz i didn't bitch out and quit monk then either shut up stop crying and suck it up drgs did it and there was light at the end of the tunnel.

    if you wanna go be a bandwagon war then do so it shows how "serious" you were about your drk in the first place.
    I have been playing warrior since the 2 handed update when raging rush was changed if you have any recollection when that was. I have always been able to do more with my warrior over my dark but in certain situations i could also do more with dark. Now that just about every melee can cap haste in regular LS set ups and the adjustments to them dark has fallen behind very far. I can only do so much on dark compared to a buffed up job like warrior that what is the point in bringing something mediocre when i can bring a job that does 3x as much damage bare minimum. I am far more serious about dark than you are your monk probably because I am close to completing my apocalypse EVEN THOUGH i know its weaker. I bet if they took away ascetic's fury and victory smite the amount of uproar from MNK would overshadow anything dark has complained about.
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  2. #52
    Player Gokku's Avatar
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    ascetic's fury only came back die to RR atma in abyssea. outside if you dont have VS asuran is still king. That being said i dont see how you completing a relic wep when you can farm 1-200 currency a day is a big deal. now if you had done it back when it took years then rushed and did the 1000's of kills trials etc. THEN id see you being a hardcore drk but as youve stated you didnt level war till 2h update and you waited for easy relics to do one. i could have stage 3 hth relic instead i invested in crafting.
    P.S. i leveled war before the 2handed update with a Gaxe the whole way, why because having a hauby+1 for my pld at the time seemed like a waste.
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  3. #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gokku View Post
    ascetic's fury only came back die to RR atma in abyssea. outside if you dont have VS asuran is still king. That being said i dont see how you completing a relic wep when you can farm 1-200 currency a day is a big deal. now if you had done it back when it took years then rushed and did the 1000's of kills trials etc. THEN id see you being a hardcore drk but as youve stated you didnt level war till 2h update and you waited for easy relics to do one. i could have stage 3 hth relic instead i invested in crafting.
    P.S. i leveled war before the 2handed update with a Gaxe the whole way, why because having a hauby+1 for my pld at the time seemed like a waste.
    wait, what? asuran has always sucked in, and outside abyssea. pretty much every other high level WS outdamages (howling, dragon kick) it. only thing asuran was good for was stoping spells. outside tornado kick will destroy any other WS outside VS unless asuran can pull out 1.5-2k
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  4. #54
    Player Chriscoffey's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gokku View Post
    ascetic's fury only came back die to RR atma in abyssea. outside if you dont have VS asuran is still king. That being said i dont see how you completing a relic wep when you can farm 1-200 currency a day is a big deal. now if you had done it back when it took years then rushed and did the 1000's of kills trials etc. THEN id see you being a hardcore drk but as youve stated you didnt level war till 2h update and you waited for easy relics to do one. i could have stage 3 hth relic instead i invested in crafting.
    P.S. i leveled war before the 2handed update with a Gaxe the whole way, why because having a hauby+1 for my pld at the time seemed like a waste.
    The fact that you can get your precious emp. in a day by itself speaks volumes for how far off relics are from empyreans at the moment. So you believe you are the time god to set in stone what is the proper time for being a hardcore player or what is casual. I am glad you updated my knowledge bank for this said info. I in fact DID have 15 jades till my apocalypse on my other character before this easy mode existed. This was also during the time dark could reach and be at 93.3% haste. A person i thought was a friend and played on my character with me for years turned around and stole it to sell on EGS because of the money. I in turn got the account banned because I wasn't having all my work sold to someone else. I came back and started again on my character now which I'm about to complete apocalypse again. I have far more love for dark than you do that monk.

    EDIT: The reason i got it banned was because there was no rollback feature or anything during that time. I had no codes as i had moved since i had bought it and SE wouldn't give my account back or reset my password. I tried a few times and without all the info either i got unlucky with reps for SE or they had some policy in force during that time.
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    Last edited by Chriscoffey; 09-11-2011 at 01:24 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortex View Post
    wait, what? asuran has always sucked in, and outside abyssea. pretty much every other high level WS outdamages (howling, dragon kick) it. only thing asuran was good for was stoping spells. outside tornado kick will destroy any other WS outside VS unless asuran can pull out 1.5-2k
    Your asuran fist gear needs work then. Unless you are fighting something with high def then i believe howling or Afury will do better.
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    Player Vortex's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by brayen View Post
    Your asuran fist gear needs work then. Unless you are fighting something with high def then i believe howling or Afury will do better.
    really? show me some good numbers with asuran, because a WS with a modifer of 10% STR and 10% VIT will never be good. my highest Tornado kick outside was 2.3k with most avaraging between 1.2-.2k depending on the mob.

    and fury has to critical for it to do good which is a bit harder outside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soranika View Post
    Rajas ring is as outdated as Tamas ring at this point.
    -_-....

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    Player Gokku's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortex View Post
    wait, what? asuran has always sucked in, and outside abyssea. pretty much every other high level WS outdamages (howling, dragon kick) it. only thing asuran was good for was stoping spells. outside tornado kick will destroy any other WS outside VS unless asuran can pull out 1.5-2k
    i was avg 14-1800 asurans @ 80, i havent had a reason to use it since but last time i used them tornado kicks dmg was comparable but required footwork to really out do asuran.

    @ Chris my posts are my opinion yours are yours. Drks apoc isnt AS good as it used to be but with the Body in the next update some apoc drgs are talking about being able to spam ws's as long as they are getting hit for 200+ and the weapon is better then your empy and not much worse then the great sword. now Verth vs anything else is a no contest. i see 0 reason to waste my gil on golden knuckles for a lack luster WS high delay and capping counter on mobs i wont be tanking anyways * tier 4 voids*.

    As far as my love for monks concerned , ive already planned out the gear i deem must have / want / might use for monk and have been stock piling funds so tha i can buy them or spam w/e is necessary to get them asap once the update hits.

    ill make a modern day asuran set here inna min and go play with it i think i need to upgrade my str hth to +2 but geodes shot up in price.
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    Last edited by Gokku; 09-11-2011 at 01:36 AM.

  8. #58
    Player Vortex's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gokku View Post
    i was avg 14-1800 asurans @ 80, i havent had a reason to use it since but last time i used them tornado kicks dmg was comparable but required footwork to really out do asuran.

    @ Chris my posts are my opinion yours are yours. Drks apoc isnt AS good as it used to be but with the Body in the next update some apoc drgs are talking about being able to spam ws's as long as they are getting hit for 200+ and the weapon is better then your empy and not much worse then the great sword. now Verth vs anything else is a no contest. i see 0 reason to waste my gil on golden knuckles for a lack luster WS high delay and capping counter on mobs i wont be tanking anyways * tier 4 voids*.

    As far as my love for monks concerned , ive already planned out the gear i deem must have / want / might use for monk and have been stock piling funds so tha i can buy them or spam w/e is necessary to get them asap once the update hits.
    ok, i will admit i have not used it since 75, ( i took out the macro basicaly) i'll try it out and see how it does, i highly doubt it will outdamage tornado but i will test it out to see if it got any better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soranika View Post
    Rajas ring is as outdated as Tamas ring at this point.
    -_-....

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    Player brayen's Avatar
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    The fact that it is a crit is what made it strong against high def, howling ..i think has some atk bonus to it, not sure its been a long time.

    As for asuran, im not sure what to tell you? 1.5k on most things very constant give or take. Mods mean nothing, people forget atk it seems. If you can cap ur atk<or close to> it never failed. Tornado tends to keep to the lower end like the 1.2k ur mentioning, and suffers much more if you miss a single swing. The higher tornadoes are lucky double atks or footwork. I don't know many monks who went against this trend. Tornado kick was however, good when the whole Oat-3 claws were the in thing with footwork stacking, but that died quickly, think the new MA trait killed it or something, never got on board that train tho so idk.
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  10. #60
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    SE doesn't "love" or "hate" any one job any more than any other. Draw whatever silly conclusions you want from your opinion of this ability, it doesn't mean they favor certain jobs on a personal level.
    Correct. The closest to it is that they fear red mage being powerful.
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