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    Player Rearden's Avatar
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    Rearden
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    Lakshmi
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    14.64s to 100TP with Apoc

    14.28s to 100TP with Cala

    Not factoring DA or Zanshin, but that favors Cala anyway.
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    Player Return1's Avatar
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    Brians
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    RDM Lv 12
    A 5 hit with Catastrophe means you need 4 hits to make 100tp after the WS.

    Catastrophe total delay to 100tp: 2052 delay.

    A 7 hit with Torcleaver on Caladbolg means you need 6 hits to make 100tp after WS:

    Torcleaver total delay to 100tp: 2580 delay

    That's ~25.7% slower for the GS. DA also favors Catastrophe because the delay between rounds is larger, meaning it's a larger boost in terms of speed when multihits proc.

    Keep on failing.
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    Player Rearden's Avatar
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    I would love to see the 5hit WS build for Cata.

    I also have no idea where you're coming up with your numbers for total delay unless you're assuming 15% total haste or 5% and Hasso but then again I'd still love to just see the 5hit WS build for Cata.
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    Jem
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    Asura
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    DRK Lv 99
    I use

    TP
    Apocalypse
    Rose Strap
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    White Tathlum
    Bale Burgeonet +2
    Ganesha's Mala
    Brutal Earring
    Bale Earring
    Armadaberk (STP +6, DA +3)
    Bale Gauntlets +2
    Hoard Ring
    Rajas Ring
    Atheling Mantle
    Goading Belt
    Calmecac Trousers
    Ace's Leggings

    STP gear on WS - Brutal Earring, Rose Strap, Armadaberk, Rajas Ring, Ace's Leggings.


    You're basically sacrifing feet (which isn't a huge tradeoff) and augmented P. Body. Worth it in the long run.
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    Last edited by Soidisant; 09-12-2011 at 07:05 AM.

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    Player Return1's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rearden View Post
    I would love to see the 5hit WS build for Cata.

    I also have no idea where you're coming up with your numbers for total delay unless you're assuming 15% total haste or 5% and Hasso but then again I'd still love to just see the 5hit WS build for Cata.
    It only takes 44 STP to make a 5 hit with Apoc. You can go about that in many, many ways. I'll give one example:

    15 /SAM
    5 Food
    4 Rose strap
    1 Brutal
    5 Rajas
    4 Hoard
    5 Goading
    5 Ace's

    44 total. Not ideal because you're limited in WS swaps in some slots, but there are literally dozens of ways to 5 hit with Apoc.


    If you don't get how I came up with the delay I can't tell if serious or trolling...
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    Player Soidisant's Avatar
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    Set-up I posted doesn't require you eat STP food for the record so you can stick with RCB's. I did toy with Arrabbiata for a while but it worked out worse.

    Basically if you TP in 47 STP, you need to WS in 33 STP to 5 hit. SAM sub, Rose, Armadaberk, Brutal, Rajas is 31. So you can either use something like Ace's Leggings, White Tathlum or Hoard to WS in or you can use Atilla's when TP'ing and WS in whatever.
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    It sadly is true that DRK is pretty much in the crapper at this time even with the new JA which with only a 1 minute duration seems week as garbage.

    I had hoped for something better but not this...
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    Player Alhanelem's Avatar
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    Tahngarthor
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    Shiva
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    Still, "deleting" it doesn't accomplish anything. Does the OP think that they could reclaim all the time they spent on it and immediately slap on something else in it's place if they did? Because no, they couldn't.
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    Player Chriscoffey's Avatar
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    Dark knight is like being the figuratively speaking "black sheep" of the FFXI family. We are here and SE recognizes us but it's as if we are thrown bread crumbs while everyone else eats steak and complains how we should be thankful about the bread.
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    Rezeak
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    DRK Lv 99
    I'd rather SE make the job ability useful than delete it

    My issue with SD is SE is showing there lack of knowledge in the game in general in there words....

    In many cases, dangerous special abilities and magic that are used by the opponent can be halted by Stun, but there are instances where Stun does not work or cannot be cast due to recast timers. There are also instances where players will have to take the damage from some attacks in order to stop more powerful attacks instead.
    I'd like to point out stun can be casted outside of most AoEs in the game which makes the use SE intended for null/void (unless SD had a DMG migration)

    Either way unless they wanna change so that it can fit into normal HNM or party strats it should be deleted.

    And here's the reason it 2 fold

    1st is PS2 Limitation i'd rather that space used for something useful (even if it's on another job)

    2nd SE keep adding useless stuff to DRK then buffing them with no real effect (see elemental spell/Occult acumen)

    As far as DRK goes i'm happy with the job it may lack somewhat in abyssea but i've just subbed mnk and become a v.reliable tank there instead, outside we're really strong.

    Also with the update in general. Absorb - Buff is a great addition to DRK considering the LR addition.

    In summary
    I'm tired of the addtions that mean nothing to DRK

    If i had a choice i'd remove SD, Elemental spells(not the Dark magic),Tactical parry and Occult Acumen from DRK so SE could actually focus on adjusting the useful aspects of the job rather making a messy hybird job.

    Btw i feel this is dumb how people were so aggressive proposing the idea of and the retort.

    Outside abyssea i know DRK is the top DD in alot of cases.

    Greatsword w/ torclever is our best combo atm.

    As for the comments on how Torclever suck ....
    4.5 ftp mod at 100% isn't weak in fact it's the best ftp mod for a melee weapon at 100%
    It has a sucky stat mod?? ... at the start yes but please look up Jingang gear/Twlight gear/9 Vit neck(or 4VIT 2% Quad attack) which has made this mod decent now.
    It sucks cause it doesn't have an attack bonus.... you know what has an attack bonus DRK lol we can get the highest attack in the game to back up our WS unlike say SAM that get hurt by this alot with Fudo. (which SE gave that dumb response of use gekko then /facepalm)
    The Delay sucks... making 6 hit not worth it ... no it means u need stuff like carabonara, adaman, Regain earring for it to be easily worth it ^^

    As for the comments of Scythe sucks...

    5 hit OAT + Guillotine spam says HI!!!!
    At 80% haste u get 100% tp in 3.5-7sec (avg is around 4-4.5 secs) (btw any job that can spam WS for decent DMG in Dyna is <3 for staggering)

    Either way from the limited endgame content outside of abyssea i don't really have much trouble competing against other DDs infact in cases where my LR pushs me 15% haste over other DDs then DRK is a really hard job to compete with if played right.

    As for people saying souleater is useless .... nope infact since the update 6% hp lost for 12% DMG is really manageable for mages these days (most can be offset with a Regen IV) and in cases when mp isn't a issue it's awesome to use ^^.
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    Last edited by Rezeak; 09-12-2011 at 10:01 AM.
    Main : 99 DRK
    Subs : 99 SMN COR SCH MELEEWHM
    Server : Ragnarök
    Relics : 95 Ragnarok and 95 Apoc
    Ironic that when i was young i never had enough video games but now i have too many and not enough time to play them .

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