Bully: it's really bad.

[SpankWustler]

The weirdness of pronouns and linking verbs and pretty much everything in relation to context within the Japanese language makes it really hard to know anything other than "it makes Sneak Attack work more better". It would be idiotic for the ability to make Sneak Attack into Trick Attack, but hey, when just-retarded-enough-to-sort-glass-for-living is par for the course...

Anyway, I just replied to it by quoting the ability and effectively saying "Thanks for the food!" because I'm fat and that's the only Japanese phrase I actually know the moon-squiggles for. So I hope it's actually good!

[Karbuncle]

Not going to lie, If they change Bully to allow SA to work from anywhere during its effect, the ability just went from "crap" to "wtf awesome".

It will be a complete 180 in my book... I will be truly astounded and happy :X

[Motenten]

I get this from Google:

The effect of the back of the enemy from outside, "surprise" is in effect.

Where "surprise" is Sneak Attack. Using other translation tools, it works out to roughly:

"The effect of Sneak Attack will also work when not behind the enemy."

or possibly, will work *except* for when behind the enemy; not sure on that. I suppose if you're gonna bully someone, they should see the attack coming...

So seems legit.

[FrankReynolds]

This would Friggin great if its true

[Karbuncle]

If its changing it from "Working behind it" to "Working While in sight of it" i like it...

Not only does it open up SA from a solo perspective. It also gives you the ability to SATA from the front on mobs that can't be hidden from.

[Insaniac]

Consider also that the effect will probably apply to anyone fighting the mob. So with 2 THFs you would have a ton of window to do unhindered SATAs and this would also be a great indirect party buff if anyone is ???/THF. Particularly SAM/THFs who will be able to take advantage of SA and overwhelm at the same time.

[Vold]

I'll take SA over TH any day. Though I imagine SA TH proc will not exist when not behind the enemy as a trade off. I see that coming a mile away. You know, because things have to have a trade off.

[Zirael]

Yes, if anyone /thf could take advantage of this (SATA-WS on tanks like in good old Byakko fights), that's a very welcome party buff for THF as well. Would help all those DDs in Voidwatch WSing and getting their heads ripped off immediately after.
Hell, by accident SE might have probably stumbled on one of those promised 'hate management tools' from manifesto with this.

[Laphine]

i'm really not this excited. It's just once every 3min. One in 3 SAs. DNCs can still force crit within 1.5min with pretty much no restriction.

[Vold]

i'm really not this excited. It's just once every 3min. One in 3 SAs. DNCs can still force crit within 1.5min with pretty much no restriction.

Be that as it may, THF still has one force crit per minute with TA when tanking. You're looking at 2 DNC crits vs 4 for THF every 3 minutes. This is relevant because THF isn't going to be soloing what DNC does anytime soon. THFs are going to have a partner to TA on.



I've never had a downer attitude about dnc getting a force crit anyway. What I do have a downer attitude with is everything DNC has received in the effort to make it an attractive end game job and not just a fun side job. They haven't used their imagination because they're unwilling to or whatever(giving DNC THF dagger WSs, for example) and the result is a superior dagger job over THF in every way that really matters except it doesn't get TH3+. And in most cases any TH at all with /nin. I'm not saying THF has to be #1 but I don't want it to be a distant second, either. But it is. The only reason to use THF right now is for TH3 that's near useless unless the NM in question has a lot of HP and even then we aren't sure just how well TH12 performs in the grand scheme of things. That's just terrible.

THF will shine as the job it's supposed to be when it's JAs and traits stop sucking i.e. when SE stops with the being overly petrified of balance being in favor of the player. Like steal working more often than never on higher level monsters. Mug nabbing more gil than the time it takes to reuse. TH3 working normally and not a total skip out of the norm just to keep old school drop rates in check and for TH procs to be of some worth. How about hide working on everything. Despoil being removed for the worthless gimmick that it is in favor of something worthwhile and Empyrean gear adjusted to reflect, or at the very least make it relevant instead of not at all.

Point for me is, if the job did what it's supposed to do I might be happy with it. But it doesn't because SE has this idea in their heads that if it did it would wreck chaos on the economy and cause the end of the world or something. So we can't have that. We can't be super nice DPS because we wield daggers. We aren't dancer. We aren't BRD. So what we're left with is the best Treasure Hunter ability which is gimped because SE doesn't want the end of the world to come. So here we are, with our thumbs up our butts wondering if we're ever going to get anything worthwhile out of this extra leveling to 99 besides better gear. SE is so stumped right now with jobs that they're even giving TH away to them in an effort to make them desirable for end game. So I don't expect this situation for THF to improve anytime soon.