Job Manifesto discussion RE: Summoner

[Soundwave]

I'll help confirm

On Test Server I'm at 471 smn skill getting 507 MP back
***I'm not capped yet in smn skill

On normal Server I'm at 432 skill getting 464 MP back

43 Difference in MP.

[Raleg]

hmm, thats weird. I'm at 489 and the ele siphon pants and i get 504mp on the test server. when i sub pants for caller's for 495 skill i get 489.

[Soundwave]

Are you wearing callers pig+2 as well? Thats an extra 40MP
Tatsumaki Sitagoromo add 15-20 MP

[Raleg]

o.O /facepalm. yeah, i goofed up my macro and pigaches weren't being loaded...

[Malamasala]

I brought out ThunderSpirit, sic'd it at a sapling in C.Mire, it used Thunder IV, enough testing was done to determine that, at level 95, Spirits were not updated and did not get any new spells.

Why don't you go on the test server and try it out, I'm sure you will get the same results as I did.

Assuming SE isn't lying, I would need ASA. While I've always intended to buy it, I've just been going by "I'll buy it when I finish WotG". I'm still not done with WotG, but thinking of trying to press my friends to help me get going again. I might be able to do some testing on next update. (And perhaps get Cait Sith, Atomos, -BP timer delay stuff tested).

[Zemarin]

People really expected summoner to get something useful? At the risk of sounding like an utter troll you ppl have got to be delusional....SE always promises summoner love and never delivers (much).
If atomos is really 2hr onri i dont see how it would compete against odin and cait sith sounds cute but then well look at diabolos (whose the last true summon; but I'll try to remain optimistic.) When it comes to terrestrial Avatars I highly doubt they will put one any more reliable than carbuncle, or as mp efficient as Fenrir. (again we'll never know till they actually release it, but I once may assume.)
I personally really don't think SE knows what they are doing with summoner at all, esp when it comes to celestial avatars~ All the BP's added from 80+ on CELESTIAL Avatars are only really useful in rare situations... Was anyone really expectiing Squall to be any different?

also Mala ur fight for spirits, I think, is a lost cause; no matter how much u want them to update spirits I doubt they will. SE (obviously) admitted on the first post they wants us to choose AVATARS BASED ON THEIR ELEMENT. Therefore SE's Primary Agenda = to make the "avatars" what the spirits were 'supposed' to be. SO there's really no need for spirits to do anything more then they do now, besides you can't really sit here and compare puppetmaster's toy to spirits... If spirits were as powerful/smart as pups toy then that would definitely not be fair seeing how low maint/expendable spirits are compared to a puppet. Also Summoner was made on the idea of the avatar being controlled directly (tho oddly enough bst does it better), in short, non insulting, statement all I can really proclaim is you need to learn to like & use your avatars... or go play something else?

[Korpg]

also Mala ur fight for spirits, I think, is a lost cause; no matter how much u want them to update spirits I doubt they will. SE (obviously) admitted on the first post they wants us to choose AVATARS BASED ON THEIR ELEMENT. Therefore SE's Primary Agenda = to make the "avatars" what the spirits were 'supposed' to be. SO there's really no need for spirits to do anything more then they do now, besides you can't really sit here and compare puppetmaster's toy to spirits... If spirits were as powerful/smart as pups toy then that would definitely not be fair seeing how low maint/expendable spirits are compared to a puppet. Also Summoner was made on the idea of the avatar being controlled directly (tho oddly enough bst does it better), in short, non insulting, statement all I can really proclaim is you need to learn to like & use your avatars... or go play something else?

Mala was told all of that before. You know what his response is? "You are a troll and I'm blacklisting you because you don't agree with me!"

[Zemarin]

Mala was told all of that before. You know what his response is? "You are a troll and I'm blacklisting you because you don't agree with me!"

I read some of it... honestly SE only acknowledgement of spirits was using them as a means to "gimp" elemental siphon way back when. Also if you take a close look you'll notice SE never really actually gone over summoner like it has other pet jobs, what I mean by that is that aside from adding gear, some BPs/wishy washy Job Abilities, and making atma work the way they do, SE has never actually enhanced Avatars nor summoner (the job), seeing as it took them this long to even consider lowering Blood Pact timer. And honestly they seem to be reluctant when it comes to touching summoners pet, they honestly feel everything on summoner can be fixed thru gear >_> so I dunno where that person even got that idea that spirits will learn better spells. <_< anyways a Japanese friend of mine once told me a long time ago SE never wanted summoner to play as prominent of a role as int he past hence, why summoner compared to other pet jobs in this game is so reserved.

Honestly in the past, with regards to smn, SE just proclaims crap and never follows thru with it.I honestly doubt that would change in the future.

[Korpg]

I agree, SMN is in desperate need of a good buff, something in lines of Blood Rage for WARs or that new JA that SAMs are getting.

[Malamasala]

Also Summoner was made on the idea of the avatar being controlled directly (tho oddly enough bst does it better), in short, non insulting, statement all I can really proclaim is you need to learn to like & use your avatars... or go play something else?

The point is still that I want to hear the official statement on this, and not just the opinions of random people. And that is pretty much it. Get confirmation that SE is trying to phase out spirits from the game.

I'm not expecting them to do anything about spirits, unless they first inform us, since I've asked about it.