Petition: clickandbuy the only way no,thanks.

[Kimara]

Would you mind clarifying what exactly you did? First, I'm assuming we're talking about FFXI, and not some other MMO.

You can use Paypal, but not directly. As I understand it, you can purchase Chrysta from Square-Enix via Click'n Buy using a PayPal payment option. That still sounds like using Click'nBuy to me. Please just clarify what you did, not tryin' to troll ya.

Also as a general question to everyone:...

What exactly is UltimatePay getting out of this?

The discussion has focused on Click'n Buy so much, it feels like "the lesser of two evils" has gotten lost in the shuffle. Aren't there some fees somewhere to the buyer? Or are they collecting from SE for using their services?

I did look around. The local Wal-mart didn't carry the cards like UP's website said it did, but a GameStop and a convenience store did. I could buy them, but even if SE did have $1.00 denominations of Chrysta, UP only says $20.00 worth on their cards, so I end up paying for more than I need either way. This is of course strictly academic at this point.

I play FFXI thats what we paid for, You have to click the Ultimate payment method to purchase cryta, when the popup screen opens, you can see the paypal tab next to Ultimate gamecard. Then you'll be directed to Paypal w/ the SE info already in there. So if it went through anything it wasn't Click and buy.

[Economizer]

So if it went through anything it wasn't Click and buy.

At this point, the only thing keeping me playing FFXI is the fact that I don't have to use ClickandBuy.

[Kimara]

At this point, the only thing keeping me playing FFXI is the fact that I don't have to use ClickandBuy.

I agree which is why Saith and I chose to use Paypal instead, however cryptic it was to find it. We had trouble with Click and Buy in the past and good luck ever getting customer support. It reminded me for being on the phone with SE for 6 hours (no exaggeration either) except click and buy just never answers the phone.

[Alpheus]

Quick question Kimara. Did utilizing PayPal via Ultimatepay require a UP account?

I just wanna know the specfics since i am currently eyeing that route

[Kimara]

Quick question Kimara did utilizing PayPal via Ultimatepay require a UP account?

I just wanna know the specfics since i am currently eyeing that route

No it did not, But it WILL charge it as Ultimate pay, but Paypal will handle it. You can see it clearly in your paypal account.

[Malamasala]

I'd personally go the paypal route... if it wasn't crysta bound and expected me to pay more than the cost of playing.

Still wondering why the "pay exactly what it costs" option is taking so long. Well, I really don't, since paying more means SE makes more money.

[Panthera]

I play FFXI thats what we paid for, You have to click the Ultimate payment method to purchase cryta, when the popup screen opens, you can see the paypal tab next to Ultimate gamecard. Then you'll be directed to Paypal w/ the SE info already in there. So if it went through anything it wasn't Click and buy.

Now, does Ultimate Pay allow you

A) to purchase Chrysta in $5.00, $10.00, and $20.00 denominations?

B) or do you have to pay them an even $20.00 online (just like you would when you buy one of their cards at Wal-mart or whatever) and then you can buy the Chrysta in SE's denominations? This makes a difference, because if SE sold Chrysta in $1.00 amounts, it wouldn't matter if you have to pay Ultimate Pay in even $20's.

10 days to go until "D" day and still no word from SE to acknowledge concerns, much less say they are looking into other options. And I mean from SE themselves, not Mods.

Remember back when Enfeebling Magic got messed up (or it might have been monster magic evasion, details)? They were awefully sluggish in communicating with us--but that's nothing compared to what we're dealing with now.

I'd at least like a time-frame. "At the present time, we intend to proceed with the new billing methods as described. However, please understand that the process will remain under scrutiny, and we shall make adjustments as needed." That way, we know for sure in advance if our service is going to be interrupted or not if we don't change over. They did say they hear us and will make it user-friendly, but in a way, that just made things more ambiguous. What will they do and when? Go back to Credit Cards before 8/31 (or 8/30, whichever), or go to $1.00 Chrysta in a few months, or Paypal in 2 years, what? when? It seems like we're waiting for fixes that might not happen in time.

[Twille]

What i'm REALLY interested in, is to see SE's subscription numbers before and after this change.
I'd love to continue playing, but I'm not willing to jump through hoops so that SE can charge me more money. I play with a small group of RL friends and we all feel the same way, none of us are renewing our accounts in September. I imagine we're not the only people that feel this way. Not that it makes a difference...haha.

[Yinnyth]

Remember back when Enfeebling Magic got messed up (or it might have been monster magic evasion, details)? They were awefully sluggish in communicating with us--but that's nothing compared to what we're dealing with now.

If memory serves, I believe that was more a matter of SE not noticing there was anything wrong. I think I remember posts from people who talked to GMs, and the GM claimed that they had received many reports about it, but were unable to find anything in their investigations. And that's sorta been the whole story with SE all along: slow to understand. So I don't expect much of a reaction from SE until the outrage is put into terms they can digest. If enough people fail to renew, if these forums go dead when ex-members are no longer capable of posting here, if they stop pulling in enough revenue to keep things going without making cutbacks, then they'll understand.

[Alpheus]

No it did not, But it WILL charge it as Ultimate pay, but Paypal will handle it. You can see it clearly in your paypal account.

I see. Thank you very much for answering. ^^