Petition: clickandbuy the only way no,thanks.

[Kimara]

You mean SE isn't making this convenient for its subscribers?

I would call it an inconvenience, nothing we would quit over though. We had trouble with Clickandbuy in the past So we didn't go through them and just use'd paypal, much easier x.x!

[RAIST]

In case you new posters haven't been following the thread, it's more about the means for us to use our CC to pay SE. JP can simply give SE thier CC info as always---everyone else has to go through another party now, and it is causing a lot of issues.

It may even be worse then previously experienced with SE's POL system, hard to say without actual statisitics. Considering regions that were previously able to pay without issues are now getting blocked by C&B's regional restrictions, some banks are rejecting C&B, others are charging fees for using C&B, C&B is charging in a different currency and for some it has increased the subscription fees...C&B has become a bit of a problem for many.

[Nightstrike]

well from what i gather then, not transferring will solve those issues...(for the time being anyways) and from what i heard, don't cancel your account, because when you reactivate it, you'll be forced to use C&B then.

[Vazerus]

You'll be forced to transfer to the new system by next month anyway, iirc.

[RAIST]

That is the whole point... letting SE know how much of a clusterf*ck they've made by keeping things the same for just the JP region's CC use while screwing everyone else.

They can maintain the existing option for one region, AND give them the new options as well. They can also do it for the other regions. The question is why aren't they? And will they fix it in time before they loose lots of revenue?

[Panthera]

I would call it an inconvenience, nothing we would quit over though. We had trouble with Clickandbuy in the past So we didn't go through them and just use'd paypal, much easier x.x!

Would you mind clarifying what exactly you did? First, I'm assuming we're talking about FFXI, and not some other MMO.

You can use Paypal, but not directly. As I understand it, you can purchase Chrysta from Square-Enix via Click'n Buy using a PayPal payment option. That still sounds like using Click'nBuy to me. Please just clarify what you did, not tryin' to troll ya.

Also as a general question to everyone:...

What exactly is UltimatePay getting out of this?

The discussion has focused on Click'n Buy so much, it feels like "the lesser of two evils" has gotten lost in the shuffle. Aren't there some fees somewhere to the buyer? Or are they collecting from SE for using their services?

I did look around. The local Wal-mart didn't carry the cards like UP's website said it did, but a GameStop and a convenience store did. I could buy them, but even if SE did have $1.00 denominations of Chrysta, UP only says $20.00 worth on their cards, so I end up paying for more than I need either way. This is of course strictly academic at this point.

[Concerned4FFxi]

It is hidden when the tos is five pages long of garbage and the one sentence or two thats most relivant to 90% of users is buried in there somewhere. In my opinion, an honest bussiness doesnt hide those types of things in their tos, they come right out and say it. Tos is generally for the lawyers.

[Runespider]

I've been trying to think why they are treating Japanese players so nicely while giving everyone else the finger, is it punishment for a small % of them that abused chargeback? Is it at attempt to prune those regions back and try make these games JP only again? I don't get it, the system is there to buy "exact amount" crysta and pay SE direct since they are using it for the Japanese they just choose not to offer it to anyone else for some reason.

I really can't understand why a company the size of SE that needs money as badly as they do and that has been running the title nearly 10 years with a worldwide playerbase would treat JP players so well and everyone else so badly, it makes no sense at all.

[wildsprite]

What exactly is UltimatePay getting out of this?

The discussion has focused on Click'n Buy so much, it feels like "the lesser of two evils" has gotten lost in the shuffle. Aren't there some fees somewhere to the buyer? Or are they collecting from SE for using their services?

I did look around. The local Wal-mart didn't carry the cards like UP's website said it did, but a GameStop and a convenience store did. I could buy them, but even if SE did have $1.00 denominations of Chrysta, UP only says $20.00 worth on their cards, so I end up paying for more than I need either way. This is of course strictly academic at this point.

I'm going to guess SE pays them a set fee or they make money on others things they sell on playspan

[Octaviane]

10 days to go until "D" day and still no word from SE to acknowledge concerns, much less say they are looking into other options. And I mean from SE themselves, not Mods.