Job Manifesto discussion RE: Summoner

[Karbuncle]

I'm sure this is all in regards to Job Adjustments. Likely saving the decent stuff for level 99+. Still, i am a bit underwhelmed, But i didn't expect a lot in the first place.

I'm just ready for more update notes now :|

[Miera]

5 whole levels and only two Blood Pacts . ;o

I did readeth it right, right?

[Korpg]

How about I compare Warcry to Crimson Howl?

Oh wait, they are so vastly different.

Warcry is a job ability
Crimson Howl is a pet command

Warcry is a melee ability
Crimson Howl is a mage ability (it uses MP)

Warcry is centered on the character.
Crimson Howl is centered on pet.

Warcry gives enmity.
Crimson Howl does not.

Ah darn it! I can't even compare Warcry and Crimson Howl because they are so different.

What is Crimson Howl? Oh yeah, Warcry. It acts the same as Warcry (it is centered around the thing that used it, be it player or pet), it gives the same % of attack+, the only real difference is the length of time it stays on effect. Also, lets not forget that Warcry is instantaneous while Crimson Howl has to be charged and can be stuned.

But wait a moment... isn't the point of comparing things to point out differences? Surely comparing items is not about reaching the conclusion "They are identical"?

When 51% of the two items in comparison are the same (same texture, same look, same effect, same duration, same wording, etc) then they are identical. When 51% of the two items in comparison are different (different texture, different look, different effect, different duration, different wording, different ability, etc) then they are different. I guess you didn't know how to compare, you must have skipped that lesson in preschool. Maybe you should take that class again, it might help with your reading also.

PS. You can't say WAR tanks better than PLD because the jobs aren't the same. That is like comparing apples to oranges.

But you can. The topic is tanking ability. While PLD has a longer survivability trait (able to cure itself, have that nice ability to reduce the amount of damage it takes, 2hr prevents all Physical Damage taken) WAR can be a better tank due to keeping hate, which is what being a tank is all about. WAR also has better damage mitigation abilities with /SAM or /NIN than PLD/WAR has, which sadly is what most PLDs go as for lolprovoke.

When the topic is determining which job is the better at doing one thing (in your case, tanking) then yes, you can compare between the two.

You really need to go back to preschool and attend that class on comparing that you have obviously skipped.

[Soundwave]

I'm surprised they did not say anything about Caitsith or Atomos in all those notes......

Camate, any word on the new avatars and what they will be doing exactly, BP: Rage etc.?

[Korpg]

I'm surprised they did not say anything about Caitsith or Atomos in all those notes......

Camate, any word on the new avatars and what they will be doing exactly, BP: Rage etc.?

I just noticed that also. Yeah, what's up with the 2 new avatars?

[Soundwave]

I just noticed that also. Yeah, what's up with the 2 new avatars?

Maybe they are for level 96-99?

[Malamasala]

You really need to go back to preschool and attend that class on comparing that you have obviously skipped.

Yea, I'm so dumb. Please give me all permutations of accepted job ability comparisons. I don't want to make a fool of myself again, so it is best you list all abilities that are comparable to each other. Since I always get it wrong, I guess there are only like 3 or so abilities you are allowed to compare perhaps?

[Korpg]

Yea, I'm so dumb. Please give me all permutations of accepted job ability comparisons. I don't want to make a fool of myself again, so it is best you list all abilities that are comparable to each other.

Naw, instead, why don't you just not compare anything until you actually know how to compare.

[Dallas]

Mala, you forget... the only allowed comparison is melee SMN solo against voidwatch NM versus Ukon WAR with full party haste fighting 10 TW mandies.

[Soranika]

Remember how long it took us to get Odin and Alexander. Let's give them another 2-3 years before they mention Cait Sith and Atomos again.