Merton Vs Odin: What the hell SE?

[SpankWustler]

Now SCH gets death-ga. Do you see the problem here? It's not about bitching to bitch. It's about being bent over the table for years, and then being told that 'we could have it worse'.

You are aware that the spell wasn't used on anything that actually matters, nor anything that was likely above Decent Challenge, right? All that's known at this point is that it uses Dark Magic skill and that the initial damage is roughly on par with a good Charged Whisker or a Mightily Struck Fell Cleave.

If the formula for Merton is similar to that of Helices, the damage will drop off a cliff when used on anything with vaguely high intelligence. Even if the formula is far more forgiving than that, the spell isn't whatever you're saying it is. I'd be very surprised if isn't just as mediocre as Odin on a single Notorious Monster, if not more disappointing.

You have reason to complain. Considering it drops your MP to 0 and requires Astral Flow, Odin is extremely situational. Even times when it would be useful, the better strategy is usually "Wait and see if I unexpectedly need Alexander."

Going off half-cocked and ranting about a spell that may well be pointless once it's actually implemented isn't the best way to make a case for improvements to an avatar.

[Miera]

Do we even know much this spell is going to cost? it could be like Impact and take the majority of your MP...

[Francisco]

I wish I was SMN so I could cry with an unrivaled sense of entitlement.

I hope WHM gets a better version of Perfect Defense (alliance wide buff, gives Hastega too) so we can see some real rage.

[Korpg]

Now SCH gets death-ga.

No they don't. They get a high damage and DoT spell with a possibility of other effects, by the look of the video, bind.

The emphasis is the high damage and DoT spell. It is not an instant cast auto-death spell, it is a spell that does a lot of damage. Why are you complaining about this when BLMs have been oneshotting mobs in Abyssea for about a year now? Why aren't you complaining that BLMs are doing the exact same thing as Merton, or whatever the spell's name is now, without losing all their MP or worrying about resist? 11k damage spells on a mob is automatic one-shot on normal mobs, and a huge chunk of HP on NMs.

You have placed your anger at the wrong job, you really should be angry at WARs. They don't need a 2hr to clear our a group of mobs completely.

[Yamimarik44]

It really saddens me to see so many Summoner's cry over such useless things, Yes Odin could use a makeover and maybe it would be nice if the Devs looked over Odin again to see about acc. issues and what not, but really? really? I don't think this thread was made with the intentions of bashing SCH, no. I think it's great SCH is getting unique to their 2hr LIKE Summoner got, we got light and dark based 2hr spells only, SCH is getting the same, well to me "Hello there brother Mage, we got something unique to our 2hrs." Though Manafont and Benediction are already higher and more frequently used 2hrs then ours for multitudes of different purposes they still haven't seen a buff to their 2hr, so also be greatful there, I'm not saying SMN's aren't greatful to the buff of their 2hr, just some of you guys WHINE FAR TOO MUCH! GOD GET A GRIP!... and don't get me started "Well Odin and Alexander are 2hrs onry QQ" GUESS WHAT? We're getting Cait Sith, a NON 2hr Avatar YAY rejoice and be marry! and oh, whats this? On top of that we're getting another 2hr Avatar Atomos with I'm sure and praying to be a better usage then Odin! Yay! Weeeeeee! /donerant

[Miera]

I wish I was SMN so I could cry with an unrivaled sense of entitlement.

I hope WHM gets a better version of Perfect Defense (alliance wide buff, gives Hastega too) so we can see some real rage.

I was a SMN since late 2007, it was my first job to 75 and leveled it the lonely way. My only concerns with the job were the Elementals AI Avatars procing and getting azure lights with Magic BPs and newer more useful BPs so I don't have to keep using Garuda or Shiva. >.>

Honestly you are right, a lot of SMNs make mountains over ant hills and whine and compare the silliest things to their jobs.
And I thought PUP was the most Whiney community. ;o

[Leonlionheart]

And I thought PUP was the most Whiney community. ;o

Not since verethragna and tactical switch...

[Yugl]

If I recall correctly from Kaeko's MV testings, mobs have an internal clock for determining the tick for helices. I also recall hearing that helix ticks tend to initiate upon landing. This might suggest that the initial bar of HP we saw was actually a land and a tick.

[Tarage]

SMN has been the gimp job for YEARS. If you don't think we have a legitimate right to complain about how we have been treated, get the hell out. Go make your own bloody thread. I'm tired of dealing with people who think they can nullify an argument simply by saying 'Whine more noob'. That isn't arguing, that isn't coming up with a counter argument, that is being a 5 year old.

[Arcon]

SMN has been the gimp job for YEARS. If you don't think we have a legitimate right to complain about how we have been treated, get the hell out. Go make your own bloody thread. I'm tired of dealing with people who think they can nullify an argument simply by saying 'Whine more noob'. That isn't arguing, that isn't coming up with a counter argument, that is being a 5 year old.

And we're tired of people pulling arguments out of nowhere. You don't complain about SMN being gimp, you complain about SMN being gimp compared to SCH in a very special situation, which is more than wrong, it's uncomparable because we're not even exactly sure what the SCH ability does. And it's even more unjustified when you consider that there's several other jobs out there who do exactly what you're complaining about already.

And SMN wasn't gimp. It was unloved and unpopular for party-events, but it could solo/duo things most job combinations couldn't dream of (see Hakutaku). And SCH was quite possibly the only more unpopular job than SMN (possibly before BST). BLM was the better nuker and had -ga spells. WHM and RDM were better for merit parties and most other things because they had Haste, something that made SCH instalol for most healing/support situations.