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Quote Originally Posted by Sparthos View Post
Bahamut had a cameo
appearance? I remember him being one of the primary antagonists of CoP in addition
to having two BCNMs.

Spoiler Alert: the following contains story elements from Chains of Promethia and
Grind House: Planet Terror.


While he might be a smidge more than a cameo, I would not go so far as to say he's
one of the primary antagonists.* He has three scenes in COP. The beginning, the
Ouryu scene, and somehow he shows up at one of the Airship scenes. Nag'molada
actually gets more "screen time" than Bahamut does, and becomes a more persistent
force in the narrative. Furthermore, if Bahamut were entirely cut from COP, would
it make any difference? The main villain is Promethia. Does it really matter if
you fight Bahamut at all?--in terms of story, considering that you fight Bahamut
after all is said and done.

As far as BCMs go, the first one doesn't even count. I think they should have made
either "Storms of Fate" or "The Wyrmking Descends" satisfactory as a prequisite to
"Apocalypse Nigh." It's not like it's a hard BCM at all. That leaves "The
Wyrmking Descends." Satisfying enough for a run-of-the-mill BCM, but for
Bahamut
? There's fan service, and then there's fan service that doesn't.

I've been playing the Final Fantasy series since it appeared on the NES. When you
build an MMO around a series with that kind of history, there's expectations. You
have do the fan service stuff, but then you have to exceed it; make the next one
bigger and better than the last. FFXI's treatment of Bahamut wasn't either. SE
had to 1) have a fight with Bahamut, or some kind of fight to get Bahamut, AND 2)
call Bahamut to do my bidding. Lightning can ride around on him like a horsey, and
I can't at least call him to fight sh+t?

Look, I realize there's all kinds of dumb requests that asks for FFXI to be
something else, or drastic system overhauls. I just want to fight an Avatar, and
then call it, as per the conventions of the series. We get Odin, who kills
everything around him, and Alexander, who makes you nigh Invunerable to everything
for a short time. Somehow a fire-breathing dragon doesn't seem like much to ask
next to all this. Is that so wrong?


Quote Originally Posted by Selzak View Post
Bahamut has already been added to the OP, but if you create a formal petition (just indicate what it is and that it should be voted on) that matches the Bahamut posts' votes, it will be removed until it surpasses your petition.

I'm also considering doing something where, if any petition receives 7 or more votes, it's added to the OP with the original proposal to indicate the uncertainty associated with that idea.
I don't think he's so much against Bahamut as he's against people "asking for what they want." It's been asked for once before and denied, but long timer Summoner fans aren't taking "no" for an answer.