With all the changes, do you think SE is trying to end us/this

[Runespider]

Abyssea came shortly before FFXIV was launched, with that they basically added pure oxygen to a burning candle. The idea was to burn through the content and complete the game and have it's userbase emigrate over within a set time frame. It is totally impossible to shut down an MMO even if you want to, you risk angering the playerbase and putting out bad vibes to potential ones on future games. The current system is perfect, milk money out of it giving players everything they want while slowly boring everyone and letting them all complete all their goals easily. Boredom does their work for them, they are even building up XIV slowly to make sure they don't emigrate over too quickly...it's a gradual process.

The sad fact is, when they made FFXIV the playerbase the game was going to get (or at least the majority of it) is FFXI players, they just cannot live side by side. Most MMO players do not want to play more than 1 MMO, no matter how casual they make them, both games are direct competition for each other. As long as XI is a fair success, FFXIV cannot be..one game will canabalise the players from the other.

FFXI is not future proof and has little ability to replace old users quitting due to rl stuff, that's why they would kill off a product that still makes money. It's not about losing customers, it's about making them move to your other title which you hope has a better ability to attract paying customers in the future.

FFXI has 2 years left in it, tops. Even the last listed update is slated as "the last stand" lol

[Sparthos]

Never said xi was as bad as xiv. Reread that, I said it was bad as well, not as bad but still bad. As in lack of content, bugs and such.

If ppl dont wanna give xiv a second chance, fine with me, dont really want/need that kind of player anyway in an mmo, hence why i dont play WoW and barely play xi anymore.

SE just jumped the gun in release and are working on repairs. BUT they are doing a fantastic job on those repairs and their work should not go unnoticed. By the time we have console release it should be a good well rounded game that ppl will enjoy. Those of us who have been with it since beta are finally relaxing that it wont be axed soon.

You say you don't need (or dont care) for individuals to give XIV a second chance but indeed you do... unless you desire seeing the game reach a point where SE decides to no longer throw money at the game because they aren't making a profit? The doomsday scenario as it were.

We're at the point in XIV where SE has decided that the money spent fixing the game will result in eventual returns when people start paying and new blood decides to give the game a chance. The console launch will be crucial because it'll be SEs moment to launch the game correctly and use the buzz to encourage individuals to pick up PC copies.

Hopefully, they can encourage gaming media to re-review the game and further encourage sales but my point was more that SE put all their eggs in one basket, gutting XI all to make XIV work and it's going to take more than repairs to make it competitive with all the MMOs being churned out left, right and center.

XIV does not have the luxuries that XI had at launch. It competes with an aging WoW, Diablo III, GW2, TERA, Aion among other smaller MMOs and normal console games that offer online play in one form or another.

It's pretty clear XI is being slowly put out to pasture and unless a new expansion materializes itself, the content known as "The Last Stand" may very well be verbatim for the future of the game.

[chubrocka]

Abyssea came shortly before FFXIV was launched, with that they basically added pure oxygen to a burning candle. The idea was to burn through the content and complete the game and have it's userbase emigrate over within a set time frame. It is totally impossible to shut down an MMO even if you want to, you risk angering the playerbase and putting out bad vibes to potential ones on future games. The current system is perfect, milk money out of it giving players everything they want while slowly boring everyone and letting them all complete all their goals easily. Boredom does their work for them, they are even building up XIV slowly to make sure they don't emigrate over too quickly...it's a gradual process.

The sad fact is, when they made FFXIV the playerbase the game was going to get (or at least the majority of it) is FFXI players, they just cannot live side by side. Most MMO players do not want to play more than 1 MMO, no matter how casual they make them, both games are direct competition for each other. As long as XI is a fair success, FFXIV cannot be..one game will canabalise the players from the other.

FFXI is not future proof and has little ability to replace old users quitting due to rl stuff, that's why they would kill off a product that still makes money. It's not about losing customers, it's about making them move to your other title which you hope has a better ability to attract paying customers in the future.

FFXI has 2 years left in it, tops. Even the last listed update is slated as "the last stand" lol

I think you're right

[chubrocka]

It's pretty clear XI is being slowly put out to pasture and unless a new expansion materializes itself, the content known as "The Last Stand" may very well be verbatim for the future of the game.

Umm ive missed that, what is "the last stand" Sparthos, where did you read about that. Im not gonna deny I miss a lot lol, Im old, what can I say.

[Horadrim]

My thoughts? I'm sick of these threads.

They're not "trying to end this." They're making money. There's no reason to do anything like that until they have something else that is making more money, and right now they probably don't have much if anything else in video games that's making much money. It's the manga/media business that's really bringing it in.

Manga and Anime are kind of lackluster industry these days -- particularly anime.

That aside... I agree.

Gamers are so prone to sensationalism, its ridiculous.

[Sparthos]

Umm ive missed that, what is "the last stand" Sparthos, where did you read about that. Im not gonna deny I miss a lot lol, Im old, what can I say.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ing-April-2011

The roadmap going into '12.

Between October '11 and March '12, content dubbed "The Last Stand" will be introduced to FFXI.

[SpankWustler]

Im wondering your thoughts?

I'm currently thinking about what to do for dinner, because this thread is pretty pointless.

My conclusion is that since I have some left-over red sauce in the fridge, I'll just boil some dried noodles and put together a simple salad made of assorted greens.

[Teraniku]

If XIV manages to overcome its terrible launch, it'd be one of the only MMOs to ever do so.

Actually the Only MMO to survive and actually grow out of a bad launch was EVE online, but it had the advantage of being one of the only few options of it's specific genre. (Only competition at the time was Jumpgate)

[chubrocka]

I'm currently thinking about what to do for dinner, because this thread is pretty pointless.

My conclusion is that since I have some left-over red sauce in the fridge, I'll just boil some dried noodles and put together a simple salad made of assorted greens.

And you replied then why?

[SpankWustler]

And you replied then why?

Well, you asked for my thoughts!