Abyssea adjustment idea

[Alkalinehoe]

It really isn't SE's fault if players abyssea burn their jobs then not learn how to play them. Saying people who leveled from 1-75+ outside of abyssea are superior to those who didn't is just wrong. Even before abyssea there were SMN burns. I abyssea leeched my dnc to 75 and I find myself far better than the vast majority of DNCs who leveled their's "normally." It doesn't take a lot of brainwork to find out most jobs are essentially the same and if your previous job experience can't help you, then take some time outside of events and go out and actually learn the job, you should be able to get the feel for it after a few hours. If you really must endure 45 something levels to "learn" your job, then you're doing it wrong. If you still see people not knowing what they're doing, stop partying with idiots. make your own parties, ls parties, etc etc. Even with idiots it's not hard to get decent exp in abyssea (assuming people aren't capped already).

[Genralzod]

Saying people who leveled from 1-75+ outside of abyssea are superior to those who didn't is just wrong. Even before abyssea there were SMN burns. I abyssea leeched my dnc to 75 and I find myself far better than the vast majority of DNCs who leveled their's "normally.".

I'm sorry but last I checked there is no 'Dance" skill, I'm refering to more of the BLU, SMN, RDM, etc etc jobs that require skills to function. and I also have the same opinion about SMN burn PTs, it's an exploit that dumbs down the player pool.
& I will say that someone who took the time to level their job conventionally, typically will be better at the job than someone who skipped 60 levels in a week.
I will give you this though; previous job experience does help, example: a Veteran SAM90 & NIN90 will probably do pretty good if they leeched 60 levels on WAR, but you'd be hard pressed to show me how fast tracking BLU or any other complex Job makes them equally skilled as the Conventional leveler in the same class.
& seeing as how most jobs gain their 'defining' job ability/spell/traits at the 40'ish mark, yes I'd say it does take 45 levels to learn most jobs, the remaining 45 levels are about refining your skills & play style.
& this game has been populated with all types of ppl since day one, Idiots included, you cant avoid them, try as you might. all you can do is offer tips in /tell while not trying to sound like an elitist jerk.

This was a tangent i didnt want to focus on. SE cannot govern the mentality of the players at large.
My main point was that non-abyssea zones are dead. an Abyssea 75+ min would help.

[Alkalinehoe]

I'm sorry but last I checked there is no 'Dance" skill, I'm refering to more of the BLU, SMN, RDM, etc etc jobs that require skills to function. and I also have the same opinion about SMN burn PTs, it's an exploit that dumbs down the player pool.
& I will say that someone who took the time to level their job conventionally, typically will be better at the job than someone who skipped 60 levels in a week.
I will give you this though; previous job experience does help, example: a Veteran SAM90 & NIN90 will probably do pretty good if they leeched 60 levels on WAR, but you'd be hard pressed to show me how fast tracking BLU or any other complex Job makes them equally skilled as the Conventional leveler in the same class.
& seeing as how most jobs gain their 'defining' job ability/spell/traits at the 40'ish mark, yes I'd say it does take 45 levels to learn most jobs, the remaining 45 levels are about refining your skills & play style.
& this game has been populated with all types of ppl since day one, Idiots included, you cant avoid them, try as you might. all you can do is offer tips in /tell while not trying to sound like an elitist jerk.

This was a tangent i didnt want to focus on. SE cannot govern the mentality of the players at large.
My main point was that non-abyssea zones are dead. an Abyssea 75+ min would help.

DNCs do have Evasion and Dagger skills, both pretty important. I can't tell you how many NIN/DNC/THFs who didn't have Evasion anywhere near capped (I capped it within a few hours). I fixed that problem though, I stopped partying with people I didn't know. You can avoid the people who don't care about their jobs, it really isn't hard.

I also Abyssea Leeched my BLU, my blue magic skill and sword are uncapped. Guess what I've used it for? Absolutely nothing. I'm not going to use it for any party/group situation until I feel it is competently geared/skilled. It's also not hard to solo TEs in Abyssea while I skill up and I've greatly learned how to play BLU and know what my weaknesses/strengths/etc are.

It doesn't take a college degree to learn how to play your job in a few hours, and if you really need 45 levels to learn how to play your job, then (again) you're doing it wrong.

Back to the point, originally you said lifting the minimum level to 75 for abyssea would "fix" these unskilled players. With SMN burning, Level sync (you could hit 75 in Qufim man) and Power leveling you are going to still have these gimps (there were many even before abyssea). Getting rid of a good thing because other people can't control themselves is being selfish.

[Auredant]

It really isn't SE's fault if players abyssea burn their jobs then not learn how to play them. Saying people who leveled from 1-75+ outside of abyssea are superior to those who didn't is just wrong. Even before abyssea there were SMN burns. I abyssea leeched my dnc to 75 and I find myself far better than the vast majority of DNCs who leveled their's "normally." It doesn't take a lot of brainwork to find out most jobs are essentially the same and if your previous job experience can't help you, then take some time outside of events and go out and actually learn the job, you should be able to get the feel for it after a few hours. If you really must endure 45 something levels to "learn" your job, then you're doing it wrong. If you still see people not knowing what they're doing, stop partying with idiots. make your own parties, ls parties, etc etc. Even with idiots it's not hard to get decent exp in abyssea (assuming people aren't capped already).

I agree. You learn more about ur job doin endgame events that by beatin pink birds for 20 ish levels.