dump the PS2...

[Return1]

Just want to point out to those of you who can read Japanese, they JP player base made a relatively large thread demanding the death of the PS2 and an updated version as well. Kinda craps all over the "but the JP guys only play on PS2!" argument.

At this point, it's cheaper to buy a brand new computer capable of running FFXI than to buy a new PS2 HDD and FFXI, or a fat PS2 since they're relics. My friend bought a crappy old computer at a yard sale for 30 dollars that could play FFXI.

[Eri]

Guys please just please stop makeing thoudands of these threads.

While everyone in thier right mind does agree that the PS2 limits FFXI to no end.
We can't simply shut down the Support. (thu i would be for exactiy that!)

Instead of that thu:

• Why is SE stubborn about making say 1-4 PS2 Servers and could let the PC/X-Box360 Community move on.
• If the PS2 can't get more expansions y limit the rest of the ppl?

If Ps2 can't handle more new stuff give them their own Servers to life in a PS2 World.

Thanks for your time reading this :3

[cidbahamut]

Dropping PS2 support or segregating PS2 players isn't feasible. Not because of potential the revenue loss, but because to actually upgrade the game to bypass PS2 limitations would more than likely requiring scrapping the pile of spaghetti code and redoing the source code from scratch.

People need to stop being dumb with their suggestions and just clamor for SE to start rewriting the game engine itself.

[Cahlum]

I believe JP button said only 30% of the JP playerbase uses PS2 and even then how many of them wouldnt upgrade if they had a small incentive to do so. I'm sure they all have a PS3 or a PC

[Romanova]

I believe JP button said only 30% of the JP playerbase uses PS2 and even then how many of them wouldnt upgrade if they had a small incentive to do so. I'm sure they all have a PS3 or a PC

ya as I said, most of those "ps2" users are just using it out of convenience (ie. they have a pc but already had the game on the ps2).



People also need to keep in mind that you can play the ps2 version on the ps3, but will still call themselves "ps2 players" (because there is no "real" ps3 version). So that 30% is probably even smaller as a lot are probably already on the ps3 as is.

[Dragoy]

I hope people will never stop making these threads. :]


Do I wish they would re-do the game with OpenGL and all kind of other goodies (OK you m$ lovers can have DX option, too), more effective engine that actually knows how to use the computer well?

Yes, I do.

Could they keep the PS2 support while doing this on the side?

Yes, they could.

The thing is, I think, that they don't have enough people to pull off this kind of a feat, and it would take too much money to make it happen (in other words, the gals and guys in charge do not thing it would be profitable). It's quite simple like that, and yes, I might be completely wrong but it's how I think of it.

That said, I don't really see PS2 being dropped unless the game stays profitable for many, MANY years to come, and the devices simply become rare enough in existence/use.


There are many things they could do, but likely will not.
They did think about making XI into XIV, so to speak, even so that you could step in from your Mog House. However they decided it would be better to just do a whole different game instead of re-making this one.

I am glad of this, because it likely would have meant too many changes all in all, not limited to a more effective and plain better engine and et ceteras.


But yeah, I think I already went for too long.
Blubb.

[RAIST]

Guys please just please stop makeing thoudands of these threads.

While everyone in thier right mind does agree that the PS2 limits FFXI to no end.
We can't simply shout down the Support. (thu i would be for exactiy that!)

Instead of that thu:

• Why is SE stubborn about making say 1-4 PS2 Servers and could let the PC/X-Box360 Community move on.
• If the PS2 can get more expansions y limit the rest of the ppl?

If Ps2 cant handle more new stuff give them their own Servers to life in a PS2 World.

Thanks for your time reading this :3

I had touched on this track of thought in one of these older threads... think it was during the earthquake downtime.

They could start development on a new version JUST for the 360/PC clients only, and make a formal announcement they were doing so, and that it would be tied in with an all new expansion opening up new areas and such projected to be released in say late 2012 or 2013 (or maybe not even give any indicated time frame, just that it was in development would suffice). In that announcement they could state that this new content would be restricted to only 360/PC clients due to limitations of the PS2 architecture--wouldn't even need to list the limitations, I think it would be fairly obvious that the PS2 simply lacks in power compared to newer technology simple because of it's age. They could offer some sort of special offer for people with content ID's bound to the PS2 versions to get a DLC version for Windows or order a new install disc for the 360 version. Over time as development progressed they could leak screenshot and videos showcasing updated graphics and the new zones to wet people's appetites. People who wanted access to that new content would naturally migrate to that platform eventually.Then, after a while, if a sufficient amount of PS2 users have migrated to newer technology (I'm sure they could quantify this within their own system)--they could announce that they would no longer officially support the PS2 as a platform after a certain date, and they would only issue updates for the PS2 to correct specific bugs found in it's last officially supported content release and that after another later date they would no longer issue any more updates for the PS2 at all (policy for many companies like MS and IBM, among others). Depending on the complexity of the system at that point, they could even go further to announce a date when PS2 clients would be denied acces to the servers at all.

This is a common strategy for migration in the grand scheme of things like OS and fully integrated software suites. The big questions is if FFXI holds enough longevity to justify making such a move at this late a stage in it's lifespan. For something like Windows, MAC OS, MS-OFFICE, LANSA, Databases and such--it's a no brainer. But a 10yr old MMO is a different animal.

[Eri]

....people with content ID's bound to the PS2 versions .....

Content ID are not bound to any System. They are bound to Regions only. there are US JP and EU ID's there is no such thing as a Ps2 ID.... at least that what i learned while playing around. If thats wrong enlighten me with the truth!

[Romanova]

Content ID are not bound to any System. They are bound to Regions only. there are US JP and EU ID's there is no such thing as a Ps2 ID.... at least that what i learned while playing around. If thats wrong enlighten me with the truth!

I think maybe he meant only having the discs for the ps2 not the content IDs? (just guessing)

But ya IDs aren't system specific by any means. I play on the ps2/PC all the time with the same accounts depending on whether or not I want to sit on the couch.

[Amador]

SE is well within their rights to dump this by now.

They don't have any binding obligation to even bother updating the PS2.

Secondly, I'm wondering why they don't just add PC specific updates rather than PS2. If people feel it's unfair they could always upgrade their system :|

It's not fair that such a great game, is being held back and pinned down to a wall rather than being allowed to really manifest graphically, as well as comfortably into a newer age.

I really hope in time, they do choose to leave behind the PS2, and or at least keep the PS2 limitations, to the PS2. It wouldn't take away from the player base that plays on PS2. However, even PS2 players realize that the limitations hold the game back, and would like for the game to be better.

Yet, understand that they won't see a better game on PS2, ever. I'd say it's more along the lines of "We don't have the man power to invest, more time into further developing 11 past what we already do." much more than, "PS2 Limitations" ^-^;