Job Adjustments manifesto Discussion

[Hayward]

I've only one thing to say to all the Thieves bellyaching throughout this thread:

Shut up.

You have no legitimate grievance towards S-E in their vision for Thief. You've no case for wanting absurd abilities just so you can brag about outparsing heavy-damage jobs. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Thief's status as a utility melee job other than it doesn't fit into the mindset of a zerg-obsessed playerbase that only looks at parser stats and nothing else.

[Laphine]

How about the contradiction of SE seeing us as pickpockets but doing nothing to fix steal-like abilities? And really, we never asked to be the best DDs, but being defined as utility melee job with tools that do not work makes no sense at all.

[Gaiben]

First off I'd like to note the Dev team's recent vagueness. Its not giving me full answer but keeps me reading :P

Scholar - Part 3!

In regards to support capability, we’re thinking more in the direction of adjustments that will differ from white mage.

Instead of just simply adding a high-tier Cure, we’re looking into making it so scholars can raise their performance further by enhancing the effects of stratagem use and regen-type magic. However, this doesn’t mean that we won’t be adding a high-tier Cure later down the line.

And my main point, I don't see how these healing enhancements make sense. On the range of Regen spells WHM is still the best. Not only do they exclusively have the best Regen IV, BUT they have merits to increase all of them. (Gear wise SCH and WHM are about equal) With the waiting on giving SCH Cure V just seems a bit mean. WHM has TWO tiers of Cure spells ahead of everyone else. On top of the fact that gear wise a SCH can't hit Cure Potency cap without atmas.

I have on multiple occasions laughed boldly at my better Cure Potency build on my SCH compared to some of my lazier WHM friends getting 530+ Cure IV over their 490ish. Then they giggle at me throwing out a Cure V for 650ish and a Cure VI for over 1k. Even with rapture, doubling my cost and recast, on my Cure IV I'm hitting about as good as a well geared cure V.

There is no doubt that WHM is stupid superior in all aspects of curing to ANYONE even if you gave SCH (and/or RDM) Cure V. However to make SCH the best COT (Curing Over Time) you would need to unkindly strip WHM of a page 1 merit and do something about their already placed unique spell.

My only conclusion that makes remote sense but still slightly befuddles me is a Cure Helix that starts with a 200-300 healing blast that would heal that same about ever 10 seconds. Which lacks the logic that then the Cure Helix would heal significantly more then the damage of a normal Helix spell. (though the thought of using Modus Verdus on an ally does make me giggle).

Not trying to complain, but just to avoid Cure V, your really hurting my head.

[Karbuncle]

How about the contradiction of SE seeing us as pickpockets but doing nothing to fix steal-like abilities? And really, we never asked to be the best DDs, but being defined as utility melee job with tools that do not work makes no sense at all.

Don't sink to his level please. Let him cry and stamp his feet alone. He obvious has no clue what THFs are asking for based on his post. He just wants to complain about complaining, obviously looking to start a fight.

[Quetzacoatl]

I'm glad we're both fully aware of your position!

The ability to express such accurate judgement of low self worth and that level of humility is not something that most people possess, I certainly don't.

Let alone the ability to admit it publicly, is impressive!




Sadly, I don't envy you.
Have a wonderful life.

lmao, I kid.

[Alaik]

Don't sink to his level please. Let him cry and stamp his feet alone. He obvious has no clue what THFs are asking for based on his post. He just wants to complain about complaining, obviously looking to start a fight.

Yeah, there's one of two options: he is really THAT dumb, after reading this. Or he's just an asshole trying to upset people. Either way, not worth the 2 calories it would take to type a rebuttal.

[Tarumage]

Hey Camate, how come the Dev team decided to give you infomation to make three posts directed to scholars, yet you made one thief post? Scholar have recieved detailed and multiple answers to questions, sort of like a Q&A forum, whereas thief got one post, met with 95% negative criticism, hundreds of responses, and yet got no follow up at all?

I hope the silence on Thief is because the dev team was so shocked about how badly their ideas went down that they have decided to lock themselves away and try again from scratch. This silence better be because they are afraid of releasing anything else to the thief community untill they think they have gotten it right.

Lol @ thf's complaining. When was the last time you saw a scholar able to perform it's job effectively in Abyssea? My scholar is one of my best geared jobs aside from pup and my naked 84 whm can heal better. That says problem to me. That's why scholar's have been getting a lot of attention.

[Sparthos]

We still talking about Abyssea? How about balancing for the Voidwatch ahead?

Abyssea is already formulaic. You bring the proc jobs, WHM, TH and you're good to clear all of the content. SCH will never fit in because the class lacks all the procs BLM does.

Changing it now would do nothing but throw balance off outside Abyssea where the game is going.

SCH is much more balanced outside than it is right now when discussing Abyssea. Cure IV is viable, Stratagems actually mean something and MP conservation becomes an issue again among other things.

The class needs help with unique spells to call its own (im a fan of a Cure 4.5 variant for RDM and SCH) but balancing for Abyssea is a terrible idea. Things are just too overpowered in there to to be tailoring buffs for certain classes.

[Alaik]

People don't seem to understand that though, Sparthos.

[Tarumage]

I used abyssea as a comparison. THF's are very viable in all endgame content today. There really is no reason for them to complain.