Petition: clickandbuy the only way no,thanks.

[Revanchist]

they reason is, we are not broke up in regions. Most mmo you pay directly even if it is say a korean mmo. Is because they have set up a seperate region. SE doesn't seperate the game into regrions.

For FFXI, as I'm in Australia, my payment doesn't go to SE Japan... it goes to SE Europe and then to SE Japan. The same can also be said for US players (SE US to SE Japan) as well. So apart from that, and being initially two different format regions (NTSC and PAL) you're right I guess....

POL was a somewhat third party. We all payed POL.

Initially, PlayOnline was a subsite of SquareSoft.com and contained content such as online strategy guides and special sites for games published by Square (starting with Final Fantasy IX). It was introduced at the time of Final Fantasy IX's release, in which PlayOnline.com featured an online strategy guide that worked in conjunction with the printed version of the guide published by BradyGames. This subsite no longer exists, however. Square Enix integrated the site's features into their own site at Square-Enix.com, in order to put up a site for the U.S. release of Final Fantasy XI.

PlayOnline.com now links to the Japanese PlayOnline site, which contains links to individual game sites and explanations of PlayOnline features. The U.S. And European websites contain information solely on Final Fantasy XI and PlayOnline features.

In a way I'd guess you're correct in saying POL was a third party... but it was a third party CREATED and OWNED by it's parent company, Squaresoft (now known as Square Enix).

Also i would take what the reps said seriously. SE might have a special contract with click and buy they waves the extra fees, or SE pays for these fees.

More than likely Clickandbuy made SE an offer they couldn't refuse... which also makes me wary.

Here is the thing, has anyone here used click and buy befor? How do you know they are crap, I wouldn't go by reviews as we do not know the full story. I say if you can/ need to switch to it. Try it out. Pay fo5r the game that way and check your statements. If you ARE charged that "hidded" fee then call SE and let them know.

I haven't used C&B myself.... but after seeing the trouble my cousin went through via them, not likely to trust them. I did (however) tried setting up and C&B account last night (an act of desperation but also curiosity), and was asked to provide my passport/driver's license/power bill info. Sorry, but I don't supply that kind of info just to have a account to play a game, where the previous payment option worked.

For all you guys know C&B might not be so bad if you can use it. My b/f hasn't had any issue so far.

Then he's one of the lucky ones. Granted most of the 'hate and rage' against C&B may be contributed to people 'jumping on the bandwagon', however there is always a kernal of truth in all rumors etc. To say otherwise is rather foolish and naive. Nothing and no one is perfect. There is no such thing as a perfect company. They all have their faults, big or small.

ps i'm not an Airhead. What is this elementry school?
can't say the same for most of you guys. Upset with out even trying something first.

Elementary School/Primary School... same thing really. I have done my research and I do not like what I've found out about Clickandbuy at all. As I've said before (and more than likely will continue to say), PlayOnline had it's faults. I don't deny that, but it did work.

I've read some posts earlier in this thread (and others) about people saying how complicated navigating POL is, menu after menu after menu. Firstly, earlier RPG's were menu driven... menu after menu after menu. Even using a computer, is essentially the same thing... menu, after menu, after menu. If you've played a RPG or use a computer, navigating POL (after a initial run through) is fairly easy and straightforward, so I honestly don't know why some have complained about that.

[Maacha]

Upset with out even trying something first.

That's like saying we should trust the lost Nigerian Prince who just so happens to need your help transferring funds... I mean, you haven't tried it before, so it could be legit right?

[Aver]

That's like saying we should trust the lost Nigerian Prince who just so happens to need your help transferring funds... I mean, you haven't tried it before, so it could be legit right?

But he'll let you keep some of the money you help him transfer, surely it can't be that bad, right? Right??

[mistmonster]

That's like saying we should trust the lost Nigerian Prince who just so happens to need your help transferring funds... I mean, you haven't tried it before, so it could be legit right?

+1
Best laugh all morning reading this depressing thread. (depressed that my money after 7+ years is no good for SE anymore)

[Octaviane]

That's like saying we should trust the lost Nigerian Prince who just so happens to need your help transferring funds... I mean, you haven't tried it before, so it could be legit right?

Yes, it made me smile too, thanks for the good laugh.

[Pharaun]

Oh wow Maacha, I was trying to think of a good response to that line and you came up with something way better than I did, thanks for the great laugh.

Rosina, you are a giant tool, please stop posting in this thread since you are nothing but an SE apologist who blatantly ignores all the problems that people have with this new system.

[Octaviane]

@ Revan. I admire that you took the time to try and explain to Rosina (and in a nice way) the facts about how SE works, it's beginnings and the issues that people are having with the new payment options. Nicely done.

However, by Rosina's own admission, it doesn't matter to him/her whether it works or not because he/she has used their Dad's CC/DC to pay in the past and is now using a brother's CC or other form of payment to continue playing. Therefore, he/she has no first hand knowledge or understanding of very real concerns, especially with ClickandBuy. If using ClickandBuy causes a person's bank account to be flagged with suspicious activity and the account is then frozen, that is a cause for concern I would say. If having to supply ClickandBuy with copies of sensitive documents in some cases like Driver's Licenses, passports, birth certificates is not a red flag, I don't know what is and if Rosina cannot see and acknowledge that, there is no hope.

Paypal does work and I am happy to say that my dear real life friend made the transfer without issue using this method. Again though, Paypal is also not available in all countries/regions.

Raist has made some excellent posts here and provided his own research/findings on the subject. Rosina, you would do well to read and learn from them.

[xfreeplay]

i saw a crown on thread thought maybe some new development, /sadface nothings changed

[Octaviane]

At least they have responded, however vague at the moment. I am sure SE is huddled around a conference table wondering what they can do to repair the damage, which really won't be known in it's entirety until Sept 1st unless they change current options to pay before then. Let's give them a bit of time, however, the clock is ticking............................

[Dragoy]

Meh.


One of my accounts went fine with the old system still, as I expected, but for some reason or another my other account did not, even though the card is still good and there is money on the bank account. It has done this before; I just had to re-enter the same card number again and it would work, but now it forced me to use the new system to pay for it (linked, but not yet transferred that account to the SqEX Account), and the fee was 10.33 €UR...
So yeah, have to buy at least 15 €UR worth of Crystanonsense to even access that PlayOnline account, and the re-activation fees and other fun, which are now higher since I used to be able to pay in USD. This also means I have to buy it for 5 €UR first, then for 10 €UR, or alternatively, for 20 €UR worth.

To make things even more fun, the bank account I have set up for FFXI and occasionally for some other payments, does not have +20 €UR after the other account got billed JUST FINE, it only has +16 €UR.

This is SO convenient and user-friendly indeed.
Thank you SQUARE ENIX! (That is sarcasm by the way, which I do not oft use...)


So I decided I will bite it and see what becomes of. I can indeed use PayPal via UltimatePay rather OK, though it takes a while to make the Crystanse appear, and I also noticed I could use Nordea via MoneyBookers, too, but I didn't bother trying that, at least not yet.

Okay so now (I saw it coming), I had to transfer that account to be able to use the service again, even though it clearly said I will be able to use the service again after I have paid what they wanted me to pay.
I can't remember if it actually mentioned the game, so alright, if it was just talking about PlayOnline...

I would feel tricked if I didn't know better.

Since the 10.33 €UR was for July (not exactly sure why they would bill me for that in now, instead of the beginning of the month, perhaps they just felt like double-billing me), I now need at least +1200 Crstfa more to re-activate one of the characters on that account. This means I need to buy at least 10 €UR worth more, or 10+5 if I want all the few characters activated.

It just so happens to be that the certain bank account now doesn't have enough money (it would have if they didn't charge July fee for the other account AFTER JULY, which I was not part of my plan when I was counting the money), I need to transfer more to it and it will take usually 3 business days from bank to another, so yeah, even though SQUARE ENIX told me that I would be able to access the service again after paying the fees, I will be unable to use it for a few days, at least (again, if it just meant PlayOnline, yeah...)


Few all in all pointers in short: I am not really bothered by using 3rd parties for the payment, as a European, I am rather used to them I guess in general (ClipandDye I wont use because of personal experiences with it; difficulties with verifying an account mainly so no, I am not one of them calling it a scam as I have no reason to really except for how they charge you for verifying the account but many do this, PayPal included as far as I remember).

Furthermore, it was not nice to force the transferral already since the way it was worded, to me at least, it seemed like it would be mandatory only AFTER August was done with.

Okay so PayPal via UltimatePay works for me, Nordea via MoneyBookers would probably as well, but 'Crysta' is simply nonsense and far from user-friendly. It really needs to be made available in amounts we customers desire to buy it, and since it seems a part of the user-base already can do this, it is mind-boggling as to why we can not.
Unacceptable; most would likely say.

And yes, a lot of these inconveniences that I have written about, are not because of SqEX really, but because of how I have been doing things (which by the way worked just fine for many years with the old system).


I think if it's not the fear, principle, prejudice or/and whatnots against 3rd party companies, it's quite obvious that the biggest problem is 'Crysta', which we can not buy in amounts we want.

Looking forward for swift measures to satisfy this need, in a way or another.


But I think I went already for too long, just thought to share my experiences from just now, even though not completely about ClickandBye alone (actually unintentional typo this time :S).

Blubb!