Petition: clickandbuy the only way no,thanks.

[malf]

To those wanabee smart, please stop trying to convince your point of view is the best and ppl saying they'll quit are simply whinner who should have whatever quit.

My playtime : 1052 days. Started playing august 2007. 11 jobs (8 leveled up before abyssea exists, 1051 merits points). I'm not an hardcore gamer living for ffxi, but only a player who spent days behind ffxi doing nothing, bazaaring, questing, farming, skilling up, doing HLS events, exping.

I'm not addicted as you spending hours to try to give money to SE. If I can't pay easily, I guess I will play now as I'm playing eve online buying credit on demand = nearly never. Because making the choice to pay , and doing almost nothing productive in ffxi, will give me the opportunity to try to do something else more productive.

btw i will not answer to flame discussion about my point of view with narrow minded I want always to have the last word, will not take time for this. You even didn't understand that living with other people means other people CAN have a different point of view, and it's a basic well known rule.

[Vivik]

For those thinking there is no fee here it is right from Click and Scam's website.

Failed Payment Fee: This fee is payable where a payment that We have requested
from Your selected payment method has failed for any reason (other than due to Our fault).

UK users: 25 GBP

EU users: 15.00 EUR

US users: Free

So yeah for EU and UK you will get charged a fee if your account does not have the funds in it at the time of the charge. You can say "Well make sure you have money in your account then" but hey, shit happens. SE would just cut off the game. Now you will get cut off and charged a fine. Thanks but no thanks.

[Kraggy]

Hello again, Warhammer Online

Well, if you think that's a playable game .. LOL?

[Kraggy]

For those thinking there is no fee here it is right from Click and Scam's website.

Failed Payment Fee: This fee is payable where a payment that We have requested
from Your selected payment method has failed for any reason (other than due to Our fault).

UK users: 25 GBP

EU users: 15.00 EUR

US users: Free

So yeah for EU and UK you will get charged a fee if your account does not have the funds in it at the time of the charge. You can say "Well make sure you have money in your account then" but hey, shit happens. SE would just cut off the game. Now you will get cut off and charged a fine. Thanks but no thanks.

Actually, this can happen due to your bank flagging the transaction for a "routine security check", I've had several of those over the years with various credit cards.

[Revanchist]

hmm as i know SE , they neither will be shocked nor change the payment system, they'll just merge some servers :x

Which would be a bad move imo for SE. Just from my own observations here, SE's only getting revenue from FFXI subscriptions, with the odd increase from producing/distributing other games etc. FFXIII, while a financial success initially hasn't grabbed a lot of people's interest like SE was probably hoping (I base that assumption from my own observations at numerous game stores I've passed where the price of FFXIII plummeted from $99AUSD to $30AUSD (though one store had about 2 dozen copies for sale for $10AUSD)). I often wished someone would take a count of how many copies were returned and the reason as to why, as I know that EB Games does ask for a reason as to why it was returned.

FFXIV has been nothing but a financial sinkhole for SE since it's release, having it's first month trial period extended for a month.. then another month... and then another month, before SE released a letter of apology to their customers for XIV and made it Free To Play until it's fixed. Now, 10 months later, there's still been nothing done to fix XIV (apart from some tweaking here and there, and the removal of that damn exp/rest system)... and then on May 25th, Square Enix plans to reveal a new MMO during its current fiscal year (ending March 31, 2012).

Instead of throwing money into a new project, one wonders WHY they didn't use that money to fix XIV and work on the PS3 version.

Regarding the payment system... The original system (via Direct Debit) worked well, and to get rid of it for this refugee from XIV (because that's what it is imo) at first made me angry like a lot of others I suspect. Do I think SE will change it? Probably not... but then again, XIV's fans kicked up a storm which finally made SE stop and look at XIV and effect the recent changes to it. So there's a slim possibility that SE MAY listen to the fans again... especially if we're paying their salaries.

The question is if they are aware that their declining FFXII, FFXIII, FFXIV etc. sales are because people lost faith in the company and are actively boycotting them. Doing this isn't helping their future titles at all, and will in the end let them steal some 5 dollars per person, while they'll end up selling fewer games for 30 dollars.

I've never before seen a company beeline for bankruptcy like SE tend to do.

Unfortunately, you'll still get some Final Fanatics (Hardcore, cult like fans who worship SE) who think that SE does not wrong, and will vehemently defend SE to the death. However, you are correct about the decline in sales...

[Octaviane]

That's simply because alot of people don't know about it yet. When everyone is forced to do the transfer, then SE will get the second round of outrage.

Yup, that too.

[Alukat]

To those wanabee smart like korpg rosina, ilax, please stop trying to convince your point of view is the best and ppl saying they'll quit are simply whinner who should have whatever quit.

My playtime : 1052 days. Started playing august 2007. 11 jobs (8 leveled up before abyssea exists, 1051 merits points). I'm not an hardcore gamer living for ffxi, but only a player who spent days behind ffxi doing nothing, bazaaring, questing, farming, skilling up, doing HLS events, exping.

I'm not addicted as you spending hours to try to give money to SE. If I can't pay easily, I guess I will play now as I'm playing eve online buying credit on demand = nearly never. Because making the choice to pay , and doing almost nothing productive in ffxi, will give me the opportunity to try to do something else more productive.

btw i will not answer to flame discussion about my point of view with narrow minded I want always to have the last word, will not take time for this. You even didn't understand that living with other people means other people CAN have a different point of view, and it's a basic well known rule.

i agree with you.
i played ff1-11 but i haven't liked the new games (12+) and i love ff7 / 8 / 10 / 10-2 and especially 11.
I started to play in august 2006 (or was it 2005, can't excactly remember), i have 3 90's with many augmented sky stuff and a couple +2 af3's and also a mandau 90.
abyssea was a flop in my eyes, but i could live with it (still had the option to do dynamis and the stuff i like), but this new payment method is totally inacceptable for me and i have no alternative, so i have to stop playing.

if they give me an acceptable option (directly pay them and not via 3rd party) then i come back, if not age of canon & hellgate:global are free2play atm and diablo iii should be released soon too, no need to bother myself with this shit.

[Octaviane]

many german ppl are posting at the english forum, as i do
however i talked to some immediately after I found out that i have to use a 3rd party to continue playing ffxi.
some of them didn't checked the reps on the 3rd partys or even didn't care and they simply signed in.
sadly many german ppl are trained to accept everything blindly, i'm not proud on my country

Nooooo! Germany is a lovely country, lovely people! Spent 2 years there

[Alukat]

Nooooo! Germany is a lovely country, lovely people! Spent 2 years there

i obviously just met the wrong people here, i have been here umm all my life xD

[Alukat]

The question is if they are aware that their declining FFXII, FFXIII, FFXIV etc. sales are because people lost faith in the company and are actively boycotting them. Doing this isn't helping their future titles at all, and will in the end let them steal some 5 dollars per person, while they'll end up selling fewer games for 30 dollars.

I've never before seen a company beeline for bankruptcy like SE tend to do.

yeah. and before they develop more new titles Xiii-2 , xv or whatever.
they should consider a remake of vii / viii & ix, as far as know they sold very well and were very popular.

playing ffvii right now and in my opinion the game has mmporg potencial, the materia system would allow total character customisation , like with steal,hp+,mp+, spells and many other things setable with it, it would need some adjustments at the world/plot, needs EG, gearing and new graphic of course, but the game is there and i think a remake would be cheaper as developing a complete new game (since u don't have to create a plot, battle/gear-system and a couple other things).

just my 2cents.

Edit: and of course, there has to be an option to pay SE directly