Petition: clickandbuy the only way no,thanks.

[Juri_Licious]

Read 10 threads and don't feel like reading anymore.
So for US users we can continue using the normal method?

[Niyariko]

Read 10 threads and don't feel like reading anymore.
So for US users we can continue using the normal method?

no direct payment for anyone except JP

[RAIST]

Read 10 threads and don't feel like reading anymore.
So for US users we can continue using the normal method?

Nope.. and that is more or less what is at the heart of the problem:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post157220

[Meyi]

Month 1: +15.00 - 12.95 = 2.05 leftover
Month 2: 2.05 + 15.00 - 12.95 = 4.10 leftover - added $15
Month 3: 4.10 + 10.00 - 12.95 = 1.15 leftover - only added $10 this month
Month 4: 1.15 + 15.00 - 12.95 = 3.20 leftover - added $15
Month 5: 3.20 + 10.00 - 12.95 = 0.25 leftover - only added $10 this month

Yes its annoying to have to add Crysta all the time but its not that big of a problem that you need to rage quit FFXI over.

If you have no mules it works out like that, yes. I have 3 active mules which brings me to $15.95 a month.

[Dijana]

Please define majority, just what population are you asserting the posters on here represent, because the numbers are a vanishingly small percentage of the entire FFXI NA/EU population this forum site is targetting?

Let me be clear, I dislike this change, I resent being treated differently from JP players and having to use tird-party payment outfits, but the nerd rage and utter bullshit level this has generated is laughable in its inanity.

I loaded up on Crysta using Play Span without a problem, like I did before for XIV before SE decided not to charge, it was annoying to have to do and repeat regularly in future, but it's NOT A BIG DEAL!

Lets see majority. Okay in all fairness that was an assumption of mine. You know, because I have yet to see anyone say they LIKE the new method, on these forums, on other forums, in game...I dont look at the boards for other languages but from what I hear there are many unhappy customers there as well. So okay, I've assumed it is the majority, because of the overwhelming amount of people I have seen saying its horrible as opposed to the fact I have not seen a singple person say they like it. If those that like it are out there and they are an overwhelming majority by all means please point them my way.

As for crysta not being a problem. I said it earlier myself and there have been others to state it. Not all countries have access to crysta. There is simply no option there to buy it. There are many people who will be left with no option other than clickandbuy. And on this topic I might as well add this in I have attempted to set up a clickandbuy account in the past and started getting charged multiple fees for seemingly nothing. There were the expected 'verification amounts' which I actually got no message about until AFTER it had been changed, but there were also a couple random other unexplained fees I then had to lodge an unnauthorized transaction complaint with my bank and have them get it back. So many people have reason to be unhappy with this.

You are right though kraggy, the posters here do represent only a tiny percentage of the entire ffxi population, but if you were to use the amount of 'for' vs 'against' that is on these forums (other areas) and apply that to get an idea of the rest, you would see that the majority IS against this, because I find it hard to believe that all those that like all this are simply 'elsewhere'. And now, I will stop, because its late and Im tired and I think Im just going in circles =.= blah

[Octaviane]

Whats sad is this thread is almost at 50 pages after 1-2 days and still no official response. And I believe people have said throughout here too that there has been no response to other similar unhappy threads in the other language boards. Obviously the majority arent happy with this, yet they claim they have had overwhelmingly positive feedback? Im more inclined to think they know nobody likes this and are just sticking their heads in the sand, and all our community reps/devs are under order not to say a word.

Sorry, but 487 responses from over 31k views on this topic is not a majority. The feedback on the JP Forums relates to WebMoney, not our issues and there is little or no reaction on the French or German Forums.

Don't get me wrong, SE should have allowed players the option to continue to pay directly with a CC as well as the other options. Most would have continued to pay with CC's is my bet, but there are some who won't be able to play at all now because X, Y or Z fake money isn't available in their region. Paypal isn't available everywhere either. SE is forcing players to comply while allowing JP to continue paying with CC's, at least by all accounts.

SE should prepare a statement and post it here to explain why they have chosen to go forward with this insanity. Why? Because you are the consumer paying SE for a service. It's simple courtesy if nothing else. Players aren't asking SE to divulge their innermost secrets, just to give a rational and believable explanation and also to at least consider the idea of giving players back the choice. This decision has nothing to do with their claims of providing an additional layer of security, especially since they are asking players to choose to buy Crysta via a 3rd party that seems to have little or no credibility. Obviously SE didn't do it's due diligence on ClickandBuy. Paypal seems to be the more acceptable choice and being able to buy Crysta in exact amounts like the JP can do. However, the chances of SE answering are slim to none.

I am certain SE is banking (pun intended) on the fact that the majority of the playerbase who can make the transfer without issue or even if it's a hassle will do so despite the initial outrage, because FFXI, for want of a better phrase, is the drug of choice. They are aware that they will lose a very small number of players because of this and other problems that always pop up. No matter how many other games are out there, people will always come back here or join and stay until the bitter end despite its problems. SE knows that too. There will be some who won't stay or come back at a later time, mostly because the options given are not available to them yet or for other personal/financial concerns. Sacrifice the few for the sake of the many. It has been done for Millenia, no different in 2011.

Anyway, good luck and best wishes to all who continue. FFXI is and always has been a unique and great game, no matter which side of the fence you have been on.

[Dauntless]

Sorry, but 487 responses from over 31k views on this topic is not a majority. The feedback on the JP Forums relates to WebMoney, not our issues and there is little or no reaction on the French or German Forums.

That's simply because alot of people don't know about it yet. When everyone is forced to do the transfer, then SE will get the second round of outrage.

[Alukat]

Sorry, but 487 responses from over 31k views on this topic is not a majority. The feedback on the JP Forums relates to WebMoney, not our issues and there is little or no reaction on the French or German Forums.

many german ppl are posting at the english forum, as i do
however i talked to some immediately after I found out that i have to use a 3rd party to continue playing ffxi.
some of them didn't checked the reps on the 3rd partys or even didn't care and they simply signed in.
sadly many german ppl are trained to accept everything blindly, i'm not proud on my country

[Malamasala]

They are aware that they will lose a very small number of players because of this and other problems that always pop up.

The question is if they are aware that their declining FFXII, FFXIII, FFXIV etc. sales are because people lost faith in the company and are actively boycotting them. Doing this isn't helping their future titles at all, and will in the end let them steal some 5 dollars per person, while they'll end up selling fewer games for 30 dollars.

I've never before seen a company beeline for bankruptcy like SE tend to do.

[Arioche]

8 years, 1300 days playtime... this may finally be the end of the long road for me. That's a lot of time spent dealing with their terrible services. They sure know how to make a good game, but are even more knowledgeable at how to screw people over. Don't think I'll be forgiving them this time...

Hello again, Warhammer Online

Edit: ^also that reminds me... Makes me lol. They haven't been doing good since FFX. They've been making poor game one after another, 12 and 13 were trash. Now this... company has really fallen apart over the years. Maybe the "Final Fantasy" curse is finally nearing. They were supposed to be bankrupt and done with after the original game came out... but they've managed to avoid death all this time. Guess their time has finally come