Avatar AI problems that need to be addressed

[Tarage]

You are right, there are times you shouldn't have the avatar on the mob, that doesn't mean you can't use a BP on the mob. Guess you didn't know this, but the damage caused by the merited BPs, they don't give TP....so you are basically handing out free damage without retribution.

You're again missing the point of Avatar's Favor. Let me explain this to you one more time. Quoting the wiki page:

* Determining the time that Favor has been active is based upon the lowest time of the following three conditions:
* 1) Activating Avatar's Favor
* 2) Summoning an Avatar
* 3) Any Blood Pact.

#3 is the important one. Using a Blood Pact causes the effect of the favor to drop. Therefor, if you want to get the most out of your favor, you want to blood pact as little as possible. Since when I have Diabolos out I am using Wards every 3 minutes, it's negligible. However if I were attacking every 45 seconds like you suggest, it would have a much bigger effect.

On a side note, do you solo as SMN? Have you killed any NMs? I'll give you a challenge, since you gave me one.

Go kill Vouivre and get a SS of him near death by yourself, that is an easy NM to kill with moderate type skill. That would at least give you some weight for your argument.

I solo quite a bit. I soloed much of WotG, as well as various other NMs. Most recently I soloed the KCNM The Palborough Project, something not soloed before according to the Wiki. You'll notice the suggested number of people is 2 or more.

I'll go try to solo that dragon. I'll post back if I succeed or fail, but it doesn't change the validity of my argument. The numbers don't lie.

[Korpg]

#3 is the important one. Using a Blood Pact causes the effect of the favor to drop. Therefor, if you want to get the most out of your favor, you want to blood pact as little as possible. Since when I have Diabolos out I am using Wards every 3 minutes, it's negligible. However if I were attacking every 45 seconds like you suggest, it would have a much bigger effect.

You forget that if you BP after a full favor effect, your favor goes back up to max in a matter of seconds. Sure you lose some MAB from the avatar, which is huge for merited BPs, but if you only use the BPs to do damage (not assaulting) every 45 seconds after you have full favor, then you will keep full favor up most of the time. Just don't back-to-back BP.

Also, grats on beating that NM, you at least have some talent of a soloist. Now, how do you think you could have beaten that NM if you took away the auto-attack function of the avatar like you are suggesting?

[Tarage]

You forget that if you BP after a full favor effect, your favor goes back up to max in a matter of seconds. Sure you lose some MAB from the avatar, which is huge for merited BPs, but if you only use the BPs to do damage (not assaulting) every 45 seconds after you have full favor, then you will keep full favor up most of the time. Just don't back-to-back BP.

I already said my BP was being used for buffing. That defeats your argument right there.

Also, grats on beating that NM, you at least have some talent of a soloist. Now, how do you think you could have beaten that NM if you took away the auto-attack function of the avatar like you are suggesting?

Yes. I was using alternate corners, but even then by the time I got Garuda up the NM would be at me anyway, so more often than not I would BP before Garuda could even land a melee attack.

And you are still missing my point. In no way am I saying auto-attack should be taken away. But you are a loon if you believe that having an avatar attack a sleeping mob that you have never told your avatar to attack in the first place is a good thing.

[Korpg]

I already said my BP was being used for buffing. That defeats your argument right there.

So don't do them back to back, wait a second or 2 for your favor to go back to full before you use another BP.

And you are still missing my point. In no way am I saying auto-attack should be taken away. But you are a loon if you believe that having an avatar attack a sleeping mob that you have never told your avatar to attack in the first place is a good thing.

Therein lies the problem. Putting a stay command would take away the avatar's automatically attacking the mobs to save our lives. Unless you think that SE will get it right and have it so the avatar won't attack the mob that is beating the crap out of you.

[Tarage]

Therein lies the problem. Putting a stay command would take away the avatar's automatically attacking the mobs to save our lives. Unless you think that SE will get it right and have it so the avatar won't attack the mob that is beating the crap out of you.

What planet do you live on? How does adding a SEPERATE command somehow take away another? And yes, I have faith in SE because I have paid for this game for over 7 years. If you don't like the game you play, leave.

The point here is that this is a problem. Even if you don't have a command, just fix it so Avatars don't attack sleeping mobs. It's not that difficult.

[Arciel]

What planet do you live on? How does adding a SEPERATE command somehow take away another?

It's a very simple concept really. It takes away from another because the first one in question is automatically triggered and really isnt a 'command' per se.

If you want to have only 1 command to force-stay the pet, then automatic triggering cannot occur, otherwise this stay command will be useless. In other words, if you want to effectively add a stay command without with a means to reinstate auto-attack to its proper usefulness, you're either going to need 2 commands, or adjustment to existing commands that will affect this auto-attack

[Tarage]

It's a very simple concept really. It takes away from another because the first one in question is automatically triggered and really isnt a 'command' per se.

If you want to have only 1 command to force-stay the pet, then automatic triggering cannot occur, otherwise this stay command will be useless. In other words, if you want to effectively add a stay command without with a means to reinstate auto-attack to its proper usefulness, you're either going to need 2 commands, or adjustment to existing commands that will affect this auto-attack

Then how about fixing it so Avatar's don't auto-attack sleeping mobs? Who even wants their avatars auto-attacking sleeping mobs?