Avatar AI problems that need to be addressed

[Arciel]

This is actually wrong. I've yet to figure out the exact behavior, but I've seen more than a fair deal of "Now avatar runs and hits mob, but mob is chasing someone else". Last time actually was last week during voidwatch when my ifrit ran off to "Save me" while Havahava or whats his name was walking around killing others after tanks had died.

That is unless by "top" you meant something like "top 5" in which case you wouldn't be wrong, potentially. In any case the coding for Summoner is very random and one usually has to wonder if it is a bug or just crazy coding.

lol... just no.

what korpg said is absolutely correct.

Avatars auto-attack the moment the Summoner hits the top of the hate list, even if for a split second, which means to say they don't necessarily have to exhibit obvious actions against the Summoner at all. The avatars just know it.

However, once they are set in motion, they won't stop unless you command them to do so. In such cases of instantaneous hate shift, you'll have no problems retreating the avatar. But if main hate is still solidly held by the SMN, you're really not going to be able to retreat the avatar properly, if even at all.

[Malamasala]

We need someone to go out and perform these experiments. Need SMN, SCH, SCH, SCH, BLM.

Sleep > Libra > cure 3/4 > libra > avatar smack > libra

Assuming libra doesn't get enmity by boatloads.

[Korpg]

Because post counts really matter?

But I expect you of all people Mala to know how to not have the avatar attack sleeping mobs....heck, I even expect Dallas, and he isn't a SMN, to know how to not get on top of the hate list.

[Malamasala]

Because post counts really matter?

But I expect you of all people Mala to know how to not have the avatar attack sleeping mobs....heck, I even expect Dallas, and he isn't a SMN, to know how to not get on top of the hate list.

I know how to avoid it. But that is like going over to the PUP forums and entering their 200+ posts long thread about Puppet AI and say "But simply do not fight monsters who cast debuffs. AI problem with -na spell over cures solved! It was never any issue to begin with! Just 100% of all PUPs being idiots"

Go ahead. I'll wait for your return. We'll have plenty laughs at PUPs who don't know how to avoid AI issues.

[Arciel]

Dallas typically drops off the hate list every now and then, lol.

[Tarage]

You are as bad as Dallas Korpg. Go away troll.

[Korpg]

You are as bad as Dallas Korpg. Go away troll.

Because I think that you have a bad idea and have given your the reason why I think your idea is a bad one?

[Tarage]

Because I think that you have a bad idea and have given your the reason why I think your idea is a bad one?

You stated yourself that there is never a situation in which you would want an avatar to auto-attack a sleeping mob, therefor you have no reason to object to that aspect being fixed. You are arguing to argue.

Go away troll.

[Korpg]

You stated yourself that there is never a situation in which you would want an avatar to auto-attack a sleeping mob, therefor you have no reason to object to that aspect being fixed. You are arguing to argue.

Go away troll.

You don't understand. The only way for SE to "fix" your problem is to take away the auto-aggression of avatars when the SMN is on top of the hate list. Basically, you are asking SE to take away the aspect of SMN that allows most SMNs to solo, including you when you killed that Dragon NM in Ifrit's Cauldron. Ask yourself this, how can you have beaten that dragon if you had to assault every time you had to resummon your avatar? Do you think that you could have survived the hit(s) each time because the avatar couldn't automatically hit the NM?

Maybe there is another reason why avatars hit sleeping mobs. Maybe they aren't doing it because the mobs are sleeping *gasp* Learn from your mistakes instead of asking SE to solve your problems for you.

[Tarage]

You don't understand. The only way for SE to "fix" your problem is to take away the auto-aggression of avatars when the SMN is on top of the hate list. Basically, you are asking SE to take away the aspect of SMN that allows most SMNs to solo, including you when you killed that Dragon NM in Ifrit's Cauldron. Ask yourself this, how can you have beaten that dragon if you had to assault every time you had to resummon your avatar? Do you think that you could have survived the hit(s) each time because the avatar couldn't automatically hit the NM?

Maybe there is another reason why avatars hit sleeping mobs. Maybe they aren't doing it because the mobs are sleeping *gasp* Learn from your mistakes instead of asking SE to solve your problems for you.

Once again arguing to argue. You are wrong, and don't know anything about game design or game programming. If PUP pets can be taught not to cast silence on mobs that don't have MP, SMN pets can be taught not to auto-attack sleeping mobs. It isn't an all or nothing thing. Programming AI can be very flexible. It's called a state machine. Look it up some time. It would be very easy to create a 'Mob is asleep' state as well as a 'Mob is awake' state and have two different auto-attack behaviors associated to them. And before you start arguing that then avatars would never be able to hit slept mobs, this state would only apply to the first auto-attack, and not from a separate state using assault. I've made state machines and not only is what I am asking to do possible, but it's only a few lines of code.

But you never will admit to being wrong, even when presented with evidence proving you are. Go away troll.