ATTN: Dev/Comm. Rep -Relic & Mythic Weapons Reborn {Yes, Please}- レリックとミシックの強化

[Kimble]

They didn't anything beside damage+stats boost.

at 90, relics got a 25% boost to their respective weapon skills while mythics got a 15% boost to their respective weapon skills.

So yes, they basically have the "II" version of their WS.

[Ravenmore]

Biggest thing that needs to happen with relics is to have their aftermaths re-evaluated/overhauled. Mythics and Emp aftermaths are just a flat type. Relics have something unique to each of their aftermaths that range from completely useless (Gungnir) to completely overpowered (Scythe).

This, since that added effects were what either made the relic the very best or meh not worth the effort for the gain(or a dumb a$$ agi mod >.>).

[Bumbeen]

SE, please don't listen to any of these people on the official forums for ideas about relic weapon adjustments. I much prefer your judgement over theirs.

[Kimble]

Just dont listen to Pchan and we should be golden.

[Qtipus]

The mods I'm not worried about for the most part. A lot of WS with crappy mods can be overcome by high amounts of STR/DEX/Att/Acc. Sure, Geirskogul having an AGI mod is about as useful as a one-legged man in a butt-kicking contest, but it doesn't break the WS or make it completely useless.

One of the biggest reasons mythics never really took hold, outside of the whole alexandrite thing, is because you could quest the WS. It speaks volumes that Drakesbane kicks the crap out of Geirskogul and Camlann's Torment. Don't get me wrong, DRG needed a WS like Drakesbane anyway to be in the DD discussion, but it just goes to show that despite the ease of acquisition involved with Emps and the overpowered WS a few of them have, there are WS in both Relic and Mythic categories that overshadow the Emps.

If the end goal is balance for these 3 categories of uber-weapons, they aren't really that far off, at least from an individual standpoint. From a time-needed-to-get standpoint, yeah emps are way too easy to get. My linkshell spent every event dedicated to getting every member at least one Emp. Fourteen Emps completed in a month and a half. Took us nearly 3 years going into Dynamis as often as we could, often splitting up zones for coin farming to finish that many relics prior to the changes.

[uptempo]

Really nice to here you are still planning to adjust relic weapons, a overhaul of the haste aftermath on apoc changing it from gear haste would be a good start. I look forward to hearing some more news when its available.

[Unctgtg]

They probably will give us another 25% boost at 95 and another at 99 with more damage

[Sama]

They probably will give us another 25% boost at 95 and another at 99 with more damage

Comparing 85 Kannagi and 90 Kikoku, regardless in or outside aby, kannagi beat kikoku any-ways you name it except the silly base dmg... I don't have a emp scythe to compare with but even they boost another 100% of relic ws it's still no match to emp whatsoever.

Just from my experience, the dmg done from emp ws almost ignore the level of the enemy. Unlike relic ws is still bonded by the tradition ws method. By simply adding percentage to relic ws dmg output will only make it look good on low level mob and I have yet to see any difference on high level mob, or have you? Did the 25% make a difference? You think so or just because SE said so?

I'm glad the moogle reply but I still got a sense that SE is playing around with left-over relic owner because they felt sore and crying all the time like myself.

[wish12oz]

Comparing 85 Kannagi and 90 Kikoku, regardless in or outside aby, kannagi beat kikoku any-ways you name it except the silly base dmg... I don't have a emp scythe to compare with but even they boost another 100% of relic ws it's still no match to emp whatsoever.

Just from my experience, the dmg done from emp ws almost ignore the level of the enemy. Unlike relic ws is still bonded by the tradition ws method. By simply adding percentage to relic ws dmg output will only make it look good on low level mob and I have yet to see any difference on high level mob, or have you? Did the 25% make a difference? You think so or just because SE said so?

I'm glad the moogle reply but I still got a sense that SE is playing around with left-over relic owner because they felt sore and crying all the time like myself.

Kannagi is the only empyrean that is always better then its relic and mythic counterparts.
THE ONLY ONE.
Even Ukon is outparsed by its relic counterpart on high tier voidwatch mobs, AND it gives -20% damage taken! And higher tier NMs is the type of stuff SE is going to be adding now that abyssea is over, you all need to get over the idea that relics are broken and weak, because they are not, only 1 is completely terrible compared to its empyrean counterpart, Kikoku, and ninja is a dead job for anything slightly difficult, so it doesn't even matter unless they fix ninja.

[Alhanelem]

They didn't anything beside damage+stats boost.

Which is what "Relic WS II" would be anyway.