[dev1000] Dynamis Reborn!

[Ilax]

The point isn't that we have different points of view, the point is that only one point of view (yours) is allowed to voice itself to the DEV Team in your thread. That's just stupid and self serving.

But whatever, I followed advice and made a pro-changes thread.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...4239#post14239

Just wow, i really hope SE/DEV are not that dumb and just end to ignore who unhappy form such of change just because the general player are positive about it. If is the case then be it, if SE think is logical to loose player just to make other happy then as Starcade stated in one of his thread (that i found rude) SE don't deserve to stay alive.

[Masekase]

Just wow, i really hope SE/DEV are not that dumb and just end to ignore who unhappy form such of change just because the general player are positive about it. If is the case then be it, if SE think is logical to loose player just to make other happy then as Starcade stated in one of his thread (that i found rude) SE don't deserve to stay alive.

Really that is a stupid way to look at it. How many people do you think they have all ready lost due to the current system ?

[Icestein]

Starcade stated in one of his thread (that i found rude) SE don't deserve to stay alive.

Agreeing with Starcade reduces any credibility you once held to nothing. You know something? If Square enix waiver because some people have dissented I will lose a lot of respect for them. I might quit, because I will have seen that a few vocal people opposed to something can veto an entire change that they know very little about. I will be tempted to quit if SE lack the integrity and tenacity to stick with this.

So let a nuclear plan get built and wait if is going to explode before say anything? Good analogy.

Can people please stop with the slippy slope bull. Guess what? Our opinions on nuclear energy plants (and I disagree with you on that too, I think they're a cleaner, more efficient source of energy and are actually quite safe) bear no relevance to this conversation. Dynamis and Nuclear energy ARE NOT IN ANYWAY SIMILAR, it's a freaking terrible analogy.

[Fiarlia]

You know something? If Square enix waiver because some people have dissented I will lose a lot of respect for them. I might quit, because I will have seen that a few vocal people opposed to something can veto an entire change that they know very little about.

This is exactly why I made the other thread, and exactly why I post on these forums. Someone has to be around to bash down ideas that are entirely and outrageously stupid and a waste of development time, energy and money.

And to ensure nobody tries to put words in my mouth, no I do not think I'm the end all, be all of judgment as what is and is not stupid. Or that all decisions should be up to me or be under the fire of my scrutiny. I'm just trying to provide some aspect of a "voice of reason", and I know there's others posting on this forum who feel the same.

I'm not trying to change things, just make sure that the Ilax's, Krystal's and Starcade's of this forum don't get their way either.

[Fiarlia]

Just wow, i really hope SE/DEV are not that dumb and just end to ignore who unhappy form such of change just because the general player are positive about it. If is the case then be it, if SE think is logical to loose player just to make other happy then as Starcade stated in one of his thread (that i found rude) SE don't deserve to stay alive.

At the moment, my thread has more signatures, indicating that more people want the change than do no not want it. This game was not created just for you, and SE will likely go with whatever choice is more popular (again, at the moment, it's people who like the change and welcome it), or ignore the threads altogether and do what they want anyway.

If the changes make more people happy than they do unhappy, there's literally no reason why they shouldn't go forward with their plans. This is precisely what I was talking about, you have been living in your own world where you think so many people are unhappy about this, and that you needed to bring this to their attention. These forums are not a place for your personal crusades. This is where we can discuss the game and possible changes to it. Your thread was anti-productive to not only the discussion, but to bringing the players point of view to SE.

Again, your idea was stupid. Your thread was stupid. My thread is also stupid, but was done to bring some semblance of balance in voicing opinions that yours was designed to ignore. I personally hope both threads get deleted, as neither (by themselves) really has a place here.

[Randwolf]

Just wow, i really hope SE/DEV are not that dumb and just end to ignore who unhappy form such of change just because the general player are positive about it. If is the case then be it, if SE think is logical to loose player just to make other happy then as Starcade stated in one of his thread (that i found rude) SE don't deserve to stay alive.

By creating a thread that purports one side of an issue and actively excludes opposing views, while a thread exists that shows the discussion around the issue, both for and against, appears to be an attempt to portray that your view is the popular view. It happens all the time in politics. And is usually started by the side that is not the more popular one.

[Ilax]

By creating a thread that purports one side of an issue and actively excludes opposing views, while a thread exists that shows the discussion around the issue, both for and against, appears to be an attempt to portray that your view is the popular view. It happens all the time in politics. And is usually started by the side that is not the more popular one.

I don't know why you put politic into this, SE monthly fee is not a TAX that i have to pay. Is my right to play it or not. Is not because this update make you happy that is going to make me happy.

But there a logic here, you where still playing before this update, and you will still play. Who say i will do same? Is not because SE would cancel this update that they can't make another one that would make me and you happy.

[Icestein]

But there a logic here, you where still playing before this update, and you will still play. Who say i will do same? Is not because SE would cancel this update that they can't make another one that would make me and you happy.

Let's scrap everything they've worked for because you are unhappy? No. I'd rather not have all that money and time wasted. You say you might quit if they implement changes that you do not like? I've already matched that; if Square decide against the dynamis changes, or revert and alter some aspects of Abyssea based on the vocal whims of this forums idiots then I will quit.

[Randwolf]

I don't know why you put politic into this, SE monthly fee is not a TAX that i have to pay. Is my right to play it or not. Is not because this update make you happy that is going to make me happy.

Which is exactly why there was no need to post up the first petition. This thread had both sides. As far as politics, a petition is a political move. It attempts to encourage people in power, in this case S/E, to agree with your side of an issue by saying your numbers are greater than the opposing view and thus your view is the correct view.

You also make the faulty assumption that people will not be dissatisfied with S/E for going back on the Dynamis update and also might quit.

[Ilax]

Which is exactly why there was no need to post up the first petition. This thread had both sides. As far as politics, a petition is a political move. It attempts to encourage people in power, in this case S/E, to agree with your side of an issue by saying your numbers are greater than the opposing view and thus your view is the correct view.

You also make the faulty assumption that people will not be dissatisfied with S/E for going back on the Dynamis update and also might quit.

That always a possibility, but again that too quick to talk about it, as much as i know, nothing make SE unable to make everyone happy by reviewing this update. Way a better option then loose more player.

Example, DEV could come in this thread and say: Hey guy, dynamis wont be 'an open zone' and yes multiple instance should be created.

Can be sure i would be super happy about it. But again that just a solution from many that SE can figure out.