[dev1000] Dynamis Reborn!

[Alhanelem]

Don't understand why anyone would not like this, especially since you can go daily, there's no global loot pool which should have made people happy (e.g. its not like walk of echoes) and you're basically free to do it when you want.

To the "oh noes its freeforall nothx" people: You afraid of crowds or something? I can guarantee you it's not going to be that bad. Everyone's in abyssea.

There is no way for them to "instance" dynamis. Even the areas people call "instanced" are not really instanced- they have a limited capacity and you can be blocked from entering if just a few groups are inside those areas. The "instancing" is achieved through the areas having several copies of the terrain stacked outside of shouting distance of eachother. It's not like in WoW where everyone is in their own little world in a dungeon. So, considering instancing is not possible (good luck cramming more than one Beaucadine or Xarcabard terrain map within the game engine's world space), making it an open area is really the next best option.

[Ilax]

I think you guy kinda missing the point of dynamis, it been for several year an hostile zone where any random action could make the run a total waste, where everyone actually have to pay 100% attention to they action. The strategy was the ultimate way to success, making this event in my opinion the best ever event SE did.

If you look at WoE is pretty much close to dynamis, the only 2 difference is:
* Open zone
* Lottery

Making this event hard to love, the strategy is not anymore how to play the event but more about anticipate the bad action from random member that will enter in your event. The LOOT system was not bad itself, but since is an open event there some people that found a work around to just screw up everyone.

I really can't see where people base they opinion when they say is going to be awesome. The only real way SE could set all these issue is for sure by turning Dynamis in easy mode. No way these zone will remain the same. (NM trigger, Mass link of death). It would be so chaos, so in the end what SE is about to do is to change dynamis at the point where only the name will remain the same.

They said CoP will stay the same, i guess that the only part that kinda make me happy.. Well assuming everyone love the change they about to do, because if all this end up to be like campaign, and everyone lost they interest of dynamis V2 after 6 month, then is just another waste...

[Tsukino_Kaji]

An update to dynamis would require an update to ALL items aquired from it to equal or surpass abyssea.
Just because the area and gear is out of date doesn't mean it has to be updated. If it's nessissary to go back and change one, you'll have to go back and change them all.

[Zyrs]

I'm funding a relic by buying the currency from the linkshell, we sell it at the going rate and split the proceeds minus enough to pay for the glass.

The concerns I have are not about relics/coins, they are about logistics. Currently, you need the key items from the four city wins to enter Beaucedine. You need the key item from Beaucedine to enter Xarcabard. And you need to beat the Dynamis Lord to win Xarcabard. There are still a lot of players that have not reached level 65/been in a Dynamis yet.

To win in each zone, you need to kill certain NMs to spawn the Zone boss. In Xarcabard, the zone boss can drop a couple of nice items along with currency. I'm betting this will make him a farming target if he is a popped boss.

How are the changes going to balance the needs of the people who need city/beaucedine/xarcabard wins against those of the people just wanting to farm nms? Is there going to be one ??? for every nm people need to pop for a win that doesn't have anything farmable and one ??? pop for people who are farming? Or is it going to be free for all where people going for the win or farming can each be frustrated in their efforts by a group that is going for the other endeavor?

Or are you going to remove the 4 city wins to Beaucedine to Xarcabard path completely and just allow anyone to enter any Dynamis they want?

[Ilax]

DEV are not talking much about the direction all this is going, and i am surprise some jump on conclusion that will be such of amazing upgrade. But yes, there so many thing they have to change to make this possible. I kinda hope we can finish the 4th relic before this update come out, so i am not forced to join something that i probably will hate.

R.I.P. Dynamis.

[Zidian]

You dont need to change the system to change dynamis. tbh there was nothing wrong with the system, it was functioning perfectly for years prior to abyssea. The reason the player base for dyna is dying is, as you said, because there is almost nothing worth getting from there for the masses of FFXI (sure every couple of people are gonna go after the relic weapons, but only so many!). In MY OPINION what SE should have done was make the rewards higher, perhaps introduce new gear and relic +2. Changing the system, in this case, is just lowering the standard: something i find unnecessary since people in FFXI are trying to get away from the over "simplified /easy post-Abyssea" world FFXI is turning into.

[xiozen]

Honestly... i'm inclined to agree that the reason dynamis has died is because people have what they wanted from it...those that still play and that have been playing for years... (including those that got what they wanted, then quit the game and are now back)... so in retrospect this should be a welcome change to old content---now if it's done right...well, it'll be an ENHANCEMENT to the system, not a detriment. My suggestion: Wait and see what's released... i'm sure the SE Devs have gotten more than enough of a whiff of the direction the player base wishes to see this game going and are making adjustments they deem are necessary to fit that new mold.

[Volkai]

Large Dynamis linkshells as they currently exist will no longer work. THey will have to adapt to the new system. That's not impossible to do.

Having a single person pay for a run's hourglass will no longer work, as it will now be a one-time purchase. However, these 'run sponsors' can instead put their gil towards purchasing more currency, as at least some players will be entering dynamis on a daily basis to farm currency for profit. (Chances are RMTs will try to do this, so keep an eye out for them to report them to the GMs.)

This is not the end of Dynamis. As it is, even 12 players of level 90 can clean out a zone with the right mix of jobs; and it is reasonable, I feel, to assume that the new Key Item system for NM pops will make zone bosses (including the Dynamis Lord) feasible to take on.

The questions I have are if it will be possible for an alliance to take out the dynamis weapons quickly enough, and if Yin and Yang will still need to be slain simultaneously or not.

[lllen]

I am in a Dyna shell, we usually run with 12-13ish players, granted there are times we have a complete wipe, but then again it fun. We have 2 people doing relic, so, we have their runs (we have 2 runs a week) and bank runs . Lol, i love the small group, sometimes we have less people and you have to really concentrate on what you do and what others need etc... The nice point of a small group is that we have a good income derived from bank runs at the end of the month and we had fun.

I'm very confused as to what will actually happen with the updates to Dyna, but I can't imagine them making it wide open for all to play at the same time as some have suggested. I am of the opinion that they will make it like Nyzul, many groups in there own little world at any given time. I want to see changes in Dyna, but I think SE need to be a little more forth coming on what they actually thinking of doing, save on forum space.

[Ilax]

I want to see changes in Dyna, but I think SE need to be a little more forth coming on what they actually thinking of doing, save on forum space.

Maybe they have no clue yet, they just tossed 'reborn dynamis' with vague info just to see everyone reaction? Or maybe they completely know where they actually going and just wan to anticipate general reaction.

For sure i would like someone from DEV to come in and release a bit more info, specially after 180 post, 13,000+ view.