Book burning ruined 5-man groups

[Galadrial]

World of Warcraft evolved into that phase of levelling as fast as possible and it drove a lot of people away because it lost all its challenges and resulted in a clueless and greedy population that only cared about getting the best gear.

Hope that this isn't so, but it does seem to be the way XI is going ><. Personally i don't leech xp and haven't really done much GoV/FoV other than when i needed in order to keep tabs up. I have no problem with people doing that if they wish, but being afk and just leeching doesn't make for very skilled players, especially so if that player is new to the game.

[Smokenttp]

what about some little changes to lvl sync sistem, 1st and most obivious would be the skill gain while synced the secound one tough is a bit more interresting , i propose an exp bonus for higer level players synced that works ONLY if they are not in an alliance (its easy to do that just a boolean true or false), why you ask me? ansewer is simple lets say you and a friend are 1 year to finish high scool and start playing the game, then when you move to university you meet new friends and introduces then to the game, if a single ppl join the game you are probably high level with several jobs and for the most of the time will not want to help your friend leveling up because for you is not worth it.

lets picture a scene here you are an 80 whm and your friend an war lvl 30 call you for a sync pt and you decide to join, something will come into play now thats called sense of achivement, while you party for about 4 hours and your friend jumps an outstanding 15 levels, you leveled once. so in most cases people will not sync down because its not worth their time its unmotivational and at the same time lower levels dont get pts and becomes unmotivated to play the game, on the other hand if the said whm could skill up and make i dont know about 4k exp (exp should be calculated around level diference) a mob it would pretty much level at the same rate as the war and feel a better sence of achivement.
of course like someone mentioned earlier there will be aways people abusing the system but i belive that more people will enjoy it like that,this would actually make exp pts worth again and alliviate abyssea and book burning as ways of leveling up.

this would acctually might solve both of these problems and also most people needs someone to introduce then to the game in order to play. its a good slice of the market.what do you guys think?

sry for rushed text and bad english.

[Kwate]

The way I see it, 3 things you can't avoid in life: death, taxes, and gimp players in FFXI (no way around it). It's going to happen rather you hit 90 in 3 days or 30. I can't tell you how many bad jobs I seen along the way to 75 via the conventional party method, at least with book burning 1-2 unskilled players isn't going to kill your exp or breakup your group. With that being said I do like having the various options now of how I have level up.

[Ravenmore]

75 = skilled, usually well-geared (worked for it too) players, 90 = Abyssea leech 30 -90 in less than a day, no skills, but oh my, I have great gear, an Empyrean Weapon or 10 and it only took me a day to get.

I saw a WAR85/DNC42 yesterday taking the ferry from Mhaura to WG. He was sporting a Rune Chopper ( a nice GA pre 75), no Grip, Perle everything, Warrior's Belt (not even +1), Puissance rings, a low level Boomerang in ranged and a Spike earring. Don't remember the other. He did have a Chiv Chain. Yes, he Abyssea burned, and no I am not critcising his gear because it was obvious he had Abyssea burned.

What was he doing on the ferry? The same that I was as a level 30 THF (mule). Going to WG to get a Runic Portal in order to become a Merc, get Mog Locker and WG warp from the 3 nations and Jeuno. He chose Halvung, I chose Azouph. Point? Didn't we all have this done pre level 50 before? Now, the thing is to get to 90 then go back and skill-up and do all those things that should have, could have been done sooner. All the fun, and I will admit tedium at times, has been taken out of the game. Much as I have enjoyed Abyssea, it bores me to death to spend hours there doing the same crap over and over again. At least with the old style levelling parties, we had fun, we spoke to one another, made friends and had a good old time and we didn't have to spend endless hours at it. Sure, in old style endgame there was a lot of greed, elitism, whining and bitching, but the same applies now in the new endgame.

Everything is different, but all remains the same when you take a good look at it over the years.

I play for fun these days on a mule. I am enjoying the heck out of it despite the tedium. That's what this game means to me anyway.

It did not I had to kick so many players in parties 20-75 over the years. Also that GA used to be a godly weapon but thats nither here nor there. I seen more 4/5 af drgs 5/5 blus rdms whms list goes on at 75 the old way. Rose tinted glasses. That could also had been some one buring up a alt to proc which doesn't need any kind of gear. Crappy players have been in this game forever. Ever had a brd or rdm D/C in you merit party only to come back pop a warp reflag in WG cause you weren't getting 25k a hour. Those players werte gimp rdms and brds burning merits for jobs they wanted. I happy now that I can pass both over now for exp.

[Ravenmore]

From a personal point of view I didn't mind so much waiting for a party since the level sync opened up new opportunities and reduced waiting time, and having an option to solo was a very good change from SE since before it wasn't possible to solo or took way too long on specialised jobs.

If this idea to encourage people to leech experience points from higher level players or killing easy prey in alliance groups to earn experience points from books is to get to level 90 as fast as they can (one player did it in 2 days for example), then I ask what is the point in getting to 90 so quickly? Isn't part of the game levelling up with people and getting to know each other and learning from experience? World of Warcraft evolved into that phase of levelling as fast as possible and it drove a lot of people away because it lost all its challenges and resulted in a clueless and greedy population that only cared about getting the best gear.

WoW has how many players compared to FF11. They could loss the total FF11 pop and not even phase them. Also you should go read www.cracked.com write up on the 7 biggest d*ck moves in MMOs, its a good read and shows how much players really care about each other. The first MMO pandemic started in WoW is a good read, along with someone paying to have another player assassinated in EvE.

[Kikkyo]

Valkurm has been abandoned for a long while, but I keep seeing people in ls chat mentioning or asking for parties in crawler's nest, and have seen quite a bit of partying around the pond in Qufim while fishing. So those zones at least aren't dead, it just depends on the type of people you're with and if they're the sort of players to take the easy road or choose to learn the job as they go, which also probably depends on if they're serious about the job or just leveling it to 50 for a sub.

Bleh, editing to say that I didn't realize when I posted this that CN was popular for aby-style alliance xping, just returning to the game after several months and two abyssea expansion releases so I'm still clueless on some of the changes in game. XD

[Fyreus]

Not even going to read anything here. Abyssea ruined 3~6man parties from 30-90. nuff said.

[Nightstrike]

They went about abyssea in the wrong way, and have kept going in that wrong direction. Weather you all will notice it, or admit it, ff11 will die a slow death, tho faster than it already was.

As for you that always sat around for hours waiting for a party, to bad, that's your own problem for not making one out of the who knows how many also looking. You don't want to sit around and wait for a party, then get off your lazy but and make a party, not like being a party leader is a trait gifted to the rare privileged few. Don't know where to go? Then ask people or look online! >.> Well guess i won't have to deal with this much longer anyways, plan on quitting after the summer festival... ahhh, my favorite event in the game... ^^ But figured id leave you all with the one and only rant from me... tho im sure you all will just durn death's ear to it like usual... or should i say deaths eye in this case? lol

(note: the faster you get through a game, means the sooner you are to quit playing it) <-That logic, cannot truly be denied.

[Ravenmore]

Not even going to read anything here. Abyssea ruined 3~6man parties from 30-90. nuff said.

Hey great off topic since this is not about abyssea. Try reading before spouting off. In fact its about people leveling out side of abyssea.

[Ravenmore]

They went about abyssea in the wrong way, and have kept going in that wrong direction. Weather you all will notice it, or admit it, ff11 will die a slow death, tho faster than it already was.

As for you that always sat around for hours waiting for a party, to bad, that's your own problem for not making one out of the who knows how many also looking. You don't want to sit around and wait for a party, then get off your lazy but and make a party, not like being a party leader is a trait gifted to the rare privileged few. Don't know where to go? Then ask people or look online! >.> Well guess i won't have to deal with this much longer anyways, plan on quitting after the summer festival... ahhh, my favorite event in the game... ^^ But figured id leave you all with the one and only rant from me... tho im sure you all will just durn death's ear to it like usual... or should i say deaths eye in this case? lol

(note: the faster you get through a game, means the sooner you are to quit playing it) <-That logic, cannot truly be denied.

If it takes to long people quit anyway. It also wasn't aboiut making your own parties but also only 2 accepted camps, and the healer and brds wanting 20k+ a hour of GTFO since they were meriting on jobs that they hated to use those merits on jobs they enjoyed. Again prime focus of this thread was not about abyssea. Only time abyssea came up was in regard to speed leveling which has been in the game for far longer then abyssea was even a thought.