Cheaper and Easiser to make ammo?

[Coldbrand]

FFXIAH shows ~5 Antlion Jaws sold per day on our server, and almost all of them are bought by that bot who buys stuff then NPCs it, so less that vendor price. Not a phenomenal supply but doesnt seem like materials are the bottleneck (for antlion arrows).

Why are you posting on the forum about it rather than reporting his name to the special task force?

[Sparthos]

Why are you posting on the forum about it rather than reporting his name to the special task force?

STF doesn't do squat, I got tired of reporting the same RMT warping around Fort Karugo and Grauberg harvesting.

5 Antlion Jaws per day shows how rare that item is. RNG isn't currently a high demand job due to the proc system but if it ever came to pass that RNG became popular again, the go-to arrows would still be Demons.

Level 60 ammo... yeah. Problem.

[katz]

As a crafter Im interested in your opinions of what you think is a reasonable price for arrows bullets and bolts. I can understand the concerns of the RNGs but if the materials arent available they are hard to price to make your requirements. I have made some and had them come back. Would appreciate your feedback.

[katz]

Why are you posting on the forum about it rather than reporting his name to the special task force?

Because he has already been investigated on other servers and deemed he wasnt doing anything wrong. We all know who he is and what hes doing yet SE refuse to do anything about him.

[hiko]

buying stuff from AH and NPCing is ok.
as long as SE cant prove he use a 3rd party tool to auto buy/sell they can't do anything.

and lol complaining about rng ammo price! cor ammo is way worth with less choice

[katz]

Suggestion would you like to see the arrows bullets bolts all come shop bought from an npc. Im thinking of a systems where crafters can make goods to stock npcs with craft goods. If the stock has reached capacity or people arent buying then the price for the crafter to sell to the npc would drop or stop and the price the NPC sells at would also drop. A bit like the way the crafters guild shops work. Lots in stock low selling price heavy demand price rises. it would give a reason for crafters to craft and a steady supply of (maybe) cheaper ammo for the people who use it.

[Oddwaffle]

Well, just to rephrase what I said for clarification. Ammo beyond demon arrows and silver bullets (in levels) are really really scarce. The reasons are: #1 Not enough demand because not many rangers around, #2 Not enough demand means no body wants to craft them, thus low supply, #3 It's really difficult to make any of these ammo due to the crafts level, materials and synergy required. The result of the scarcity lead to ridiculously high price and the almost none existence on AH. Even the attempt to craft them is exceedingly difficult because of the materials.

Oh and why don't I ask a crafter to craft them for me? Since when is the last time you ask someone to make you a stack of curry subs? The new ammo are like that. You can't make a lot cause you don't use a lot, you can't make to store because of the scarcity and price of the materials and you can't buy from AH because there aren't any on AH. The best you can do is to gather bits of materials and beg someone willing to spend 5-10m to make your ammo and you spending an hour or more running around for materials every time you want to use it.

So what I am asking for is to simply lower the level required to make these ammo. So at least if nobody is selling, you can make these ammo on your own without the need to make a specialized character to craft or beg someone every few days.

For crafters, a reasonable price for arrow that is used exclusively to spam would be around 50~70% the price of Shihei stacks. If it's equal or higher than shihei stacks then it's a little bit expensive for average Joe/Jane but should be reasonable enough for people loving the Ranger job. Bullets can be anywhere from 150%-250% the price of Shihei stack and still be reasonable enough.

[Raksha]

5 Antlion Jaws per day shows how rare that item is. RNG isn't currently a high demand job due to the proc system but if it ever came to pass that RNG became popular again, the go-to arrows would still be Demons.

Level 60 ammo... yeah. Problem.

1 Jaw is enough to make 6 stacks of arrows without any HQs, so that's 30 stack per day. Nowhere near that many arrows on AH, also the bot buying the jaws means that there's very little demand. Supply isnt the problem.

RNG isn't the job it used to be, and I've pretty much stopped playing it. Low demand coupled with PiTA synergy requirements are what's driving up the price.

[Catsby]

The steep requirements to create consumed weapons for a job that broken and nobody plays equates to it effectively being stuck at 60/75. The hypothetical example I tried to make earlier was what if your ninja or dark knight's sub slot broke every 99 swings and your only accessible replacement was level 60(75 if you want to spend a little extra money and it happens to be on the AH, 90+ if you are fucking rich and have friends who care about synergy).

[Atomic_Skull]

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But you've gotta keep one thing in mind. RNGs hit hard for what they're paying. For example, with Antlion Arrows (D:41) and... say... a Vision Bow (D:97), RNGs are effectively firing a weapon with 138 base damage. With Gandiva you're looking at 144 base.

The problem RNG has is that melees have caught up in terms of weapon damage and have higher attack and have ridiculous amounts of haste available. At one time RNG weapons made up for the slow attack speed and expense with damage that was significantly ahead of melees but this is no longer the case.