New Thf Ability

[Zyla420]

since i've read a few of the ideas i've seen ppl put out on a new ability for thf, i decided to give it a shot myself.

Taunting Blows
recast: 5:00
Duration: 2:30 (or until SA or TA)
effect: Steals 5-10% enmity from all pt members in range and adds that directly to attacking power for the duration of the ability. landing SA while ability is up will result in accumulating double the enmity and wiping the attack buff. landing TA will result in transfering double the enmity to the pt member infront of you and wiping the attack buff.

i know the name sucks but this would help out with thf's tanking ability by getting a large hate boost while jacking up their base attack power a bit to keep the mob focused on them.

also if they lose hate for some reason they can then use SA to get another hate spike to get the mob back on them. in addition if the thf isn't tanking they can use TA to plant a solid amount of hate on whoever is tanking to keep the mob focused on them

feel free to comment/flame as you wish lol

[Covenant]

Hmm, I look at the /JA conspirator and think "working together" NOT enmity steal. What if this move was a "reverse-cover"? That is rather than blocking damage directed at a target ala paladin, a thief conspirator increase damage while standing in front of a player, while absorbing enmity from that target?

[Zyla420]

this idea had nothing to do with conspirator, or anything like it. this was meant to work like collaborator/accomplice in the sense it steals hate from pt members. it would more than likely share a recast with them as well. what this would be more in use for would be to tank by obtaining a large chunk of hate by stealing a small chunk from the pt members in range.

[Zyla420]

on a side note, i was thinking the aoe range on the enmity steal should be around 15 yalms or so

[Alukat]

thf needs a tool to get rid of some hate and not one that gives more to it >.>

[Eeek]

thf needs a tool to get rid of some hate and not one that gives more to it >.>

I disagree completely.

Competent THFs are well-suited to serve both as enmity sinks and secondary tanks/DDs. With the upcoming adjustment to the effect range of Accomplice and Collaborator, THFs will have an even easier time draining accumulated enmity from mages. By conducting enmity, THFs can increase the stability of NM battles.

Few things are worse than uncontrolled, angry NMs nomming on panicked mages.

EDIT: And as a mage, I love Accomplice/Collaborator. Trust me, it's very noticeable when used, and I appreciate the extra breathing room in which to operate.

[Alukat]

i know , i am mage too. but most time i have to wear enmity- gear (yep not haste gear) to be able to place sa once in a while for th effectiness, i even have to sa in tp gear otherwise the tank will lose hate and i am unable to do more sa afterwards.

enmity balance atm just gimps thfs.

[Zyla420]

how does getting hate on thf gimp us? even before abyssea, thf could and did tank fairly well. we're not heavy DD, never have been. yea we can't use SA as often anymore but what does it really matter when we already pump out 2-4k ws's unstacked.

also if you read all of the OP, you'd have noticed that the ability i suggested would give a drastic boost to the enmity dumped by TA'ing somebody. the ability was thought up with tanking and all round hate control in mind.

[Nebo]

how does getting hate on thf gimp us?

I believe Alukat is saying that getting hate gimps our TH procing abilitiy. IE THF is a better TH proc when it can ride SA/TA timers etc.

It also gimps our DD ability a bit but eh, tanking while TH procing in melee hits is still a useful function.

[Eeek]

I believe Alukat is saying that getting hate gimps our TH procing abilitiy. IE THF is a better TH proc when it can ride SA/TA timers etc.

It also gimps our DD ability a bit but eh, tanking while TH procing in melee hits is still a useful function.

I believe Alukat is saying that s/he plays with people who have absolutely no idea how to properly gear and play a melee DD. It's not a game balance issue - it's a user input issue.

Accomplice and Collaborator do not increase THF's enmity cap above the norm. All DDs in Abyssea should reach and ride the enmity cap within a reasonable amount of time, and at that point, the target mob will regularly shift its focus amongst all the engaged DDs. An alert THF should be capable of moving about to land TA and SA. Even with 5/5 Sneak Attack merits, I personally have no issue riding the timer unless I'm being lazy or I'm the sole DD.

The game balance is fine as far as this issue is concerned. In fact, it's about to get better since the terribly short range on Accomplice/Collaborator will soon receive see a needed boost. THF should be as high as possible on a target mob's enmity list. It's not the responsibility of THFs to make absolutely ludicrous gear selections to accommodate the shortcomings of unacceptably geared/played DDs.