New Thf Ability

[Zyla420]

since i've read a few of the ideas i've seen ppl put out on a new ability for thf, i decided to give it a shot myself.

Taunting Blows
recast: 5:00
Duration: 2:30 (or until SA or TA)
effect: Steals 5-10% enmity from all pt members in range and adds that directly to attacking power for the duration of the ability. landing SA while ability is up will result in accumulating double the enmity and wiping the attack buff. landing TA will result in transfering double the enmity to the pt member infront of you and wiping the attack buff.

i know the name sucks but this would help out with thf's tanking ability by getting a large hate boost while jacking up their base attack power a bit to keep the mob focused on them.

also if they lose hate for some reason they can then use SA to get another hate spike to get the mob back on them. in addition if the thf isn't tanking they can use TA to plant a solid amount of hate on whoever is tanking to keep the mob focused on them

feel free to comment/flame as you wish lol

[Covenant]

Hmm, I look at the /JA conspirator and think "working together" NOT enmity steal. What if this move was a "reverse-cover"? That is rather than blocking damage directed at a target ala paladin, a thief conspirator increase damage while standing in front of a player, while absorbing enmity from that target?

[Zyla420]

this idea had nothing to do with conspirator, or anything like it. this was meant to work like collaborator/accomplice in the sense it steals hate from pt members. it would more than likely share a recast with them as well. what this would be more in use for would be to tank by obtaining a large chunk of hate by stealing a small chunk from the pt members in range.

[Zyla420]

on a side note, i was thinking the aoe range on the enmity steal should be around 15 yalms or so

[Alukat]

thf needs a tool to get rid of some hate and not one that gives more to it >.>

[Eeek]

thf needs a tool to get rid of some hate and not one that gives more to it >.>

I disagree completely.

Competent THFs are well-suited to serve both as enmity sinks and secondary tanks/DDs. With the upcoming adjustment to the effect range of Accomplice and Collaborator, THFs will have an even easier time draining accumulated enmity from mages. By conducting enmity, THFs can increase the stability of NM battles.

Few things are worse than uncontrolled, angry NMs nomming on panicked mages.

EDIT: And as a mage, I love Accomplice/Collaborator. Trust me, it's very noticeable when used, and I appreciate the extra breathing room in which to operate.

[Kihrre]

I disagree completely.

Competent THFs are well-suited to serve both as enmity sinks and secondary tanks/DDs. With the upcoming adjustment to the effect range of Accomplice and Collaborator, THFs will have an even easier time draining accumulated enmity from mages. By conducting enmity, THFs can increase the stability of NM battles.

Few things are worse than uncontrolled, angry NMs nomming on panicked mages.

EDIT: And as a mage, I love Accomplice/Collaborator. Trust me, it's very noticeable when used, and I appreciate the extra breathing room in which to operate.

Agreed. I've always pictured (and played) THFs like the enmity-police...someone steps outta line with the the enimty (other that the tank). I take it away, and /slap them a warning in chat.

Though, if the direction SE is taking with THFs is enmity management, I'd be looking forward to seeing what they will add in future updates to augment that.

[Alukat]

i know , i am mage too. but most time i have to wear enmity- gear (yep not haste gear) to be able to place sa once in a while for th effectiness, i even have to sa in tp gear otherwise the tank will lose hate and i am unable to do more sa afterwards.

enmity balance atm just gimps thfs.

[Karbuncle]

i know , i am mage too. but most time i have to wear enmity- gear (yep not haste gear) to be able to place sa once in a while for th effectiness, i even have to sa in tp gear otherwise the tank will lose hate and i am unable to do more sa afterwards.

enmity balance atm just gimps thfs.

Anyway, assuming this isn't a troll attempt >_>. If your only goal is to increase your treasure hunter effectiveness, You can do this while meleeing in not-terrible-gimp gear. This is actually more intelligent because you can upgrade TH with normal hits too. While a low rate, Its no excuse for gimping yourself to such an extreme that you remove haste armor for Enmity- gear.

The Hate cap is so low any good DD will be able to reach it in moments, including a THF, This means the mob will generally just look at the last person to hit him, So what you do is, Run to the other guy, Trick Attack, Turn around walk around the mob, hit SA. In the time it takes for you to run around the mob the other tank/guy should have hit the mob, giving him hate.

Its pretty simple, this has never failed me. I can always get SA and TA off so long as I'm with another tank. But if you're in a pick up group of obviously gimp people, Better off just running in for TA and SA if you're goal is TH upgrading. No need to melee in Enmity- armor.

Hate shedding abilities for THF aren't far-fetched (Hide), Its just simply something i would not see on our platters as planned adjustments. I'd rather they focus on giving us things to help us DD.

If we were going to discuss how "Enmity balance gimps thfs", I would rather SE spend time working on a sensible Hate/Enmity system than waste time giving THFs an ability to hate shed, that will not doubt be as situational as Enmity douse, with just as long of a timer, making it pretty pointless in the long run.

[Zyla420]

how does getting hate on thf gimp us? even before abyssea, thf could and did tank fairly well. we're not heavy DD, never have been. yea we can't use SA as often anymore but what does it really matter when we already pump out 2-4k ws's unstacked.

also if you read all of the OP, you'd have noticed that the ability i suggested would give a drastic boost to the enmity dumped by TA'ing somebody. the ability was thought up with tanking and all round hate control in mind.