Make the Relic and Empyrean WSs Questable

[Andylynn]

Going by the modifiers it seems Tachi: Fudo will be the better of the two by a decent margin.

Word on fan forums say 90 relics have 25% ws damage boost or something similar.

from BG:

friend finished GA
some test:

WAR90/THF23(lol)
STR83
no Gorget MAX DMG=2246
2246=WSD 714

(D155+D42)x2.75=541.75
714/541=1.319

STR83+71
with Gorget=2802 DMG
2802=WSD 860
(155+7x2.75=640.75
860/640=1.34375
WS damage increase 35%?

not sure but also heared about LV90 Amanomurakumo.
Kaiten got 25% bonus.
and Lv90 Burtgang, Max Atonement dmg is 860.

so.. I guess
Relic:
x3.0 WS=25% bonus
x2.75 WS=35% bonus
Mythic=15% bonus

[Zumi]

WoE weapons are just that Weapons without the aftermath if you want one they are fairly easy to obtain.

[wildsprite]

for Relic WSs I think it would only be fair to force the person that wants the WS to fully upgrade the real weapon that WS came from not the fake ones, if you think about it many people worked hard to get their relics upgraded, making a quest that didn't require this would be like a big slap in the face for them

[Hayward]

for Relic WSs I think it would only be fair to force the person that wants the WS to fully upgrade the real weapon that WS came from not the fake ones, if you think about it many people worked hard to get their relics upgraded, making a quest that didn't require this would be like a big slap in the face for them

That's a load of junk and you all know it. For a bunch of elitists, you all have some ridiculously fragile egos to be so hostile to the idea of questing Relic/Empyrean Weapon skills. Take a look at your Relic (90)/Empyrean (90) weapon...(waiting)...now tell me how in the world a so-called "gimp" (i.e. someone who doesn't play FFXI 24/7, I guess) is going to suddenly be so much better than you just because he/she is able to gain access to another weapon skill.

All the hot air I've been reading on this thread amounts to little more than juvenile-level insecurity--I'd say high school, but that'd be slanderous to high schoolers. On a game, no less.

[Greatguardian]

That's a load of junk and you all know it. For a bunch of elitists, you all have some ridiculously fragile egos to be so hostile to the idea of questing Relic/Empyrean Weapon skills. Take a look at your Relic (90)/Empyrean (90) weapon...(waiting)...now tell me how in the world a so-called "gimp" (i.e. someone who doesn't play FFXI 24/7, I guess) is going to suddenly be so much better than you just because he/she is able to gain access to another weapon skill.

All the hot air I've been reading on this thread amounts to little more than juvenile-level insecurity--I'd say high school, but that'd be slanderous to high schoolers. On a game, no less.

So much rage. Did I kick your puppy in game or something? I don't think wildsprite is even from BG, or any sort of "elite" subgroup.

As far as Empyreans, and most of the Mythics go, the Weaponskill is the single biggest aspect of the weapon itself. Yet, all 3 unique WS (Emp, Mythic, and Relic) are already attainable for people without full weapons. WoE weapons are soloable. Faux Relics are just blue !! drops. Mythic WS are completely questable because Mythics just plain don't exist anywhere anyways.

What's elitist about keeping Emp WS "unique" to Emp or WoE weapons? It's not like WoE weapons are anywhere near difficult to complete. Any average joe can do it and receive a huge DD boost. And you know what? Any quest for an Emp weapon may as well be as long/tedious as a WoE weapon is to make anyways, so it's not like anyone's saving any time/energy by campaigning to make the WS even easier to get.

But really. When did I kick your puppy? I don't think we've ever even interacted in-game in a less than friendly manner.

[Leonlionheart]

@OP:

no, ty.

I wouldn't mind if the 90/95/99 versions had huge damage bonuses, or the quested versions had damage decreases, but still it kind of detracts from the point of Empyrean and Relic weapons doesn't it? IDK, if I had a Apocalypse and then every drk and their mother started using catastrophe I'd be rather upset.

Making Empyrean WS's quested would totally ruin WoE weapons too, unless the quest was to make a WoE weapon, in which case w/e.

[wildsprite]

I'm not elitist, far from it(I didnt even know what BG was till I went over and saw a link to it on ffxi auctionhouse, I looked at their site, its not that impressive, pretty far from it infact) I don't have a pimp or gimp attitude on things either, but I'm not afraid to tell my opinions, and guess what, that is exactly what I posted, my opinion, you took that and twisted it, I try to keep what I say civil and not give personal attacks

also I should add right now my gear is pretty gimp, but I dont mind the idea of working on my relic maul to get the mjollnir, it will be costly and timely to do but I'm gonna shoot for it anyway, I am in no way elitist, I despise the elitist attitudes of many of the players, and I am the one who dares to attempt to be different in ways I'm told I shouldn't do

[Malamasala]

I just think it is ridiculous there are no lower damage, but higher TP gain weapons with empyrean WSes on. Just either High damage empyrean, or slightly less damage copy. Myrkr for example is made for that kind of weapon... but SE never added on. They are too busy overpowering the melee to pay attention to mages.

[Coldbrand]

Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass.