Make the Relic and Empyrean WSs Questable

[Denabond]

Quite possibly the easiest way to stop all of the problems Relic/Mythic/Empyrean weapons is to simply make both Relic and Empyrean WSs questable, but leaveing the Aftermath linked to the specific weapon. In all the threads that have ppl complain about fixing these 3 weapons, this idea was never mentioned. Mythic is already questable, so why not the other 2 as well? Honestly, the only real weapons that need a buff is Mythic since most are seen as useless.

[Sparthos]

Psst, there is another way to get Empyrean WS and Relic WS.

[Nattack]

many relic ws are somewhat subpar as well, i think they need a revaluation in general. and what were they thinking with kannagi? blade: metsu is lame. blade: kamu was meh, it took 3 tries to get a katana relic right

[Denabond]

Sure there is other ways to get Relic and Empyrean WSs, but they aren't permanent. Your limited to using Emp or WoE weapons for the Emp WS, and Relic WSs is even worse since your limited to either Relic or a weapon where you have to do 13 WSs to just do it ONCE. Making it so everyone has them wouldn't throw off the game that badly.

[Sparthos]

Access to Coronach/Namas Arrow for anyone severely cheapens the respective relic weapons. Getting Cata or Metatron would also cheapen their respective weapons. Beyond the utility weaponskills, the others would be total crap not worth using ever. There are reasons you never see weaponskills like Metsu or Gierksogul - they suck.

The WoE weapons are only viable because they have the Emp weaponskills attached. Making the weaponskills questable completely destroys a magian trial path all for what? Cause someone can't be assed to do the trials and either complete an Emp slowly or WoE?

The only reason we got Mythic WS was because the weaponskills weren't the highlight, the special properties were.

[Eeek]

Well, strictly speaking, the relic weaponskills are already questable as each relic weapon is the reward for an incredibly expensive quest-line.

[Futan]

While I don't have an issue with the suggestion, I also don't see it happening, at least for Empyrean. Each of the "special" weapons have a theme. Relics have high melee DPS, Mythic offer job enhancements, and Empyreans have strong WS. The WS is what makes Empyrean weapons Empyrean. It'd be like giving the job enhancements on Mythics to everyone.

[Nacht]

Sure there is other ways to get Relic and Empyrean WSs, but they aren't permanent. Your limited to using Emp or WoE weapons for the Emp WS, and Relic WSs is even worse since your limited to either Relic or a weapon where you have to do 13 WSs to just do it ONCE. Making it so everyone has them wouldn't throw off the game that badly.

Allowing empy WS to be permanent completely destroys the WoE version of the weapons. There's already an alternative to making an empyrean weapon, and the only moderately difficult part is collecting coins from WoE. And I believe SE said they were going to give that an overhaul.

[Denabond]

I don't see how giving Empy WS to everyone would destroy the WoE version. They are technically 4th on the dmg list behind Mythic. Or they can simply make it so you need to get WoE version to quest for the Empy WS.

[Andylynn]

pass tothis idea, giving every bandwagon war mnk and nin their respective ws in an already easymode ffxi would make for even worse players