Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Dallas]

LOL, be careful, there's a Byakko's Axe WAR here who would be real pissed at the insinuation that Ukon is the only reason WAR beats SMN unbuffed.

[Alhanelem]

//still wondering why this thread hasn't been locked yet...

[Leonlionheart]

LOL, be careful, there's a Byakko's Axe WAR here who would be real pissed at the insinuation that Ukon is the only reason WAR beats SMN unbuffed.

lol don't get me wrong, a Byakko's Axe WAR will probably still out DPS any SMN, except maybe 90 Hvergelmir SMN or 80+ Nirvana SMN, but it's not by HUGE amounts like a Widowmaker/ToM90/Warlord's Axe WAR, or GIANT amounts like a Maschu+2 or Ukon WAR.

But then, nothing comes close to a Ukon WAR.

[Coldbrand]

durhur what's ryunohige

[Malamasala]

//still wondering why this thread hasn't been locked yet...

Pretty sure that at page 30 they admins stopped reading it.

[Dallas]

lol don't get me wrong, a Byakko's Axe WAR will probably still out DPS any SMN, except maybe 90 Hvergelmir SMN or 80+ Nirvana SMN, but it's not by HUGE amounts like a Widowmaker/ToM90/Warlord's Axe WAR, or GIANT amounts like a Maschu+2 or Ukon WAR.

But then, nothing comes close to a Ukon WAR.

Are we still talking "unbuffed in Abyssea?" The "giant amounts" for Ukon is something around 25%, of which I suspect at least 10% is the impact of aftermath. The base damage for those non-Ukons look to be about 10% less than Ukon. Unless Ukko's Fury is a terrible WS (and I don't suspect it is), those weapons do not significantly outperform a Hverg SMN.

That should not be a terrible insult to WAR, since FFXIAH has only found 24 of these staves, and a Widowmaker drops off an NM.

[Leonlionheart]

Are we still talking "unbuffed in Abyssea?" The "giant amounts" for Ukon is something around 25%, of which I suspect at least 10% is the impact of aftermath. The base damage for those non-Ukons look to be about 10% less than Ukon. Unless Ukko's Fury is a terrible WS (and I don't suspect it is), those weapons do not significantly outperform a Hverg SMN.

That should not be a terrible insult to WAR, since FFXIAH has only found 24 of these staves, and a Widowmaker drops off an NM.

I still don't see you providing any substantial proof (parses, maths, etc)

[Korpg]

Are we still talking "unbuffed in Abyssea?" The "giant amounts" for Ukon is something around 25%, of which I suspect at least 10% is the impact of aftermath. The base damage for those non-Ukons look to be about 10% less than Ukon. Unless Ukko's Fury is a terrible WS (and I don't suspect it is), those weapons do not significantly outperform a Hverg SMN.

That should not be a terrible insult to WAR, since FFXIAH has only found 24 of these staves, and a Widowmaker drops off an NM.

You still have never seen a WAR in action, have you?

But then again, I doubt you seen anyone in action, which makes me wonder how you got your staff.

What did you do, buy the items from other people?

[TybudX]

LOL, I skim too much. Half of ANY real DD? The fail maths show "half" of a Ukon WAR with a LOT of people doing nothing but buffing. I guess you aren't a real DD unless you have that one item.

Yes, the maths were fail. They assumed things that made the situation highly in your favour, namely:

Predator Claws = Ukko's. It's not, it's closer to Raging Rush from a competitive weapon, like Widowmaker.
Accuracy is capped for both SMN and WAR.
SMN is using /sam to gain the most it can from Haste buffs.
SMN has equal melee damage per swing. LOL. Not only does this point ignore pDIF, it ignores the base damage of your weapon and stats. So much for The Kirin Lie™.
WAR was not using any native JAs or traits. Seriously. No Berserk, no att or crit traits, no double attack, completely ignored base stats, etc.

The comparison was literally a naked character with capped accuracy and pDIF using Ukon and Ukko's Fury as a WS vs. an impossible SMN getting ODD off it's staff and Predator Claws.

Less.
Than.
Half.

Exactly what are these miracle SMN buffs you think you are going to stack on yourself? The only super secret buff I can think of that is going to make SMN (and melee SMN) not suck is called Job Change. An issue you keep skirting... why do you show up on SMN when any other job that can do the things SMN can do (buffs, DD, healing) can do them better? You keep pretending that you haven't seen it asked.

[Korpg]

Exactly what are these miracle SMN buffs you think you are going to stack on yourself? The only super secret buff I can think of that is going to make SMN (and melee SMN) not suck is called Job Change. An issue you keep skirting... why do you show up on SMN when any other job that can do the things SMN can do (buffs, DD, healing) can do them better? You keep pretending that you haven't seen it asked.

But that is detriment to his argument!