i'd say about half and half, back when hate actually mattered, the utility that namas/coro granted was invaluable for mobs that mattered, now that those types of mobs are actually gone yea they are pretty blah now.

final heaven, knights of the round, i'm not even going to try and remember how to spell relic lance's relic ws, are pretty bad. The rest for the mainstay jobs (not including club, staff, or axe), all have their uses/niches. a 50% boost to them would make them definitely in contention for outside abyssea if content out there ever becomes truly relevant again.

I've been an avid advocate for bumping the 5% odd and odt to 25-30% for relics and give this to mythics, across the board. It would let them be comparable melee dmg wise to empy (lets face it empy weapons keep their AM up fulltime so I don't think putting it fulltime on relic/mythic would break anything) and further strengthening relic/mythic ws via magian trials would all add up to make them definitely in contention with empy. Actually this would probably push mythic lance to the top of the dd world inside abyssea and beat ukon.

honestly i don't see any way to make relic/mythic for h2h and gaxe comparable to ukon and vereth. Victory Smite and ukko's broke much of the balance lol.