Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Alhanelem]

Haste Samba is better because it's a source of haste that can't be obtained otherwise.

The fact that there is more than one way to get the effect of the haste spell does not make haste samba better. One effect is still superior to the other.

And again, if you're on summoner, there's no reason for the single target haste spell to be cast. Ever. I realize that summoner isn't exactly popular right now, but that fact remains.

[Leonlionheart]

The fact that there is more than one way to get the effect of the haste spell does not make haste samba better. One effect is still superior to the other.

And again, if you're on summoner, there's no reason for the single target haste spell to be cast. Ever. I realize that summoner isn't exactly popular right now, but that fact remains.

The thing is you should always have Haste spell on anyway, with or without a SMN. In the ideal DD setup (where you will want perfect haste) you should have DD DD DD DD DNC WHM where the DNC drops and a BRD comes in to rotate songs.

In that case you will never have a SMN, and that's another reason Samba is better.

But seriously It's much MUCH better than Hastega because its JA haste where Magic haste will usually be capped assuming you have BRD.

[Dallas]

So you have no reply to my question, you must be a politician or something.

You have no answer. Good to know you are incompetent and can't support your claims, makes ignoring you that much easier.

I don't have to answer any "feed TP" post, since it takes a lot of butthurt to assume that melee SMN would melee something that NO ONE melees except the tank. I laugh at you because your stupid argument means less and less in an increasingly easy game.

[Leonlionheart]

I don't have to answer any "feed TP" post, since it takes a lot of butthurt to assume that melee SMN would melee something that NO ONE melees except the tank. I laugh at you because your stupid argument means less and less in an increasingly easy game.

My WAR melees everything in abyssea, because my damage to tp fed ratio is out of this world, and I actually do damage with my TP.

[Dallas]

My WAR melees everything in abyssea, because my damage to tp fed ratio is out of this world, and I actually do damage with my TP.

That's cute, a WAR who needs to enter a pissing contest with a Hver SMN. What weapon did you bring for us today? It's probably a Ukon, or you might be fearing the wrath of the mathies.

"Feed TP" argument is all about the talent of the WHM. If a WAR can zerg it, everyone can zerg it. You aren't special in any way.

[Leonlionheart]

That's cute, a WAR who needs to enter a pissing contest with a Hver SMN. What weapon did you bring for us today? It's probably a Ukon, or you might be fearing the wrath of the mathies.

"Feed TP" argument is all about the talent of the WHM. If a WAR can zerg it, everyone can zerg it. You aren't special in any way.

You couldn't zerg it.

[Leonlionheart]

You couldn't zerg it.

To elaborate, you couldn't zerg it because you don't have enough damage output to safely kill it at a speed that wouldn't completely drain the WHMs MP.

WAR can zerg things better than everyone because they are better than everyone in terms of DD in Abyssea, and most likely outside too. They kill things so fast that it doesn't matter how much damage the target does, assuming it's not one hitting you.

I don't know what you're trying to prove here dallas, SMN melee is and always has been a horrible idea, and doesn't hold a candle to top notch DD.

[TybudX]

LOL. The "feeding the mob TP" excuse.

LOL, the stupid player thinking TP isn't important excuse.

I don't know what you're trying to prove here dallas, SMN melee is and always has been a horrible idea, and doesn't hold a candle to top notch DD.

*cough*anyDD*cough*

The only jobs that are behind melee SMN in DD capacity are SCH and... no, that's it. Just SCH.

[Byrth]

Anyway, basic summary of this thread is:
1) Situations where summoner is the best job to use are situations that are not conducive to meleeing.
2) Summoners that like playing summoner can do better damage on Summoner with 175 items sunk into an Emp staff than they could on a melee that they don't like playing (or potentially don't have leveled).

I know at least people are going to disagree with number 1, but no one has provided a single specific example of a situation that falls outside of my 3-5 "strategic uses" of Summoner. I've seen a lot of "I go summoner and it feels like helping enough that I'm better than an empty party slot" but not a lot of "This is why I'm better than any other job in this situation." When you claim something, the burden of proof is on you and not your opposition.

[Razushu]

I replace incompetent SMN. It just so happens those SMN have all agreed to a uniform 2nd grade reading level.

Look at my post, now at yours, now mine sadlyyours aren't mine but they could be if you debated like an adult. You're the only one here with low level reading here