Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Dallas]

lol I have something better than a fay crozier, a Vayu's Staff +2 and a Varuna's staff(working on finishing it). But you probably wouldn't know about these because they enhance the main part of SMN.

I don't know about it because all of my avatars are free, all the time, with a DD staff. That -10 BP timer? I have capped -BP timer in macro armor as well.

There is only one more stat on those staves, and that stat is "weak as hell." Yeah, I have a gimp +1 in my moghouse, that's where my "retired and worthless" gear goes.

You wear it for the sexy "I have a mailbox strapped to my back" look, I can tell. You sure don't use it because it makes your SMN leet.

[Korpg]

Well I'm sure SMN could cap with food, rings, etc, but then you lose xhit (rajas) and red curry buns that real DDs would be using.

I think some people forget the times where Accuracy was king, and for the jobs that don't have high skill it's still a pretty big issue, even in Abyssea.

Problem is outside of Abyssea also. Those who have to melee as SMN just to keep MP up will find that their damage output will lower a lot more than they would like, not just because there is no longer +100 DEX helping them make hits. But because more mobs outside of Abyssea are more evasive for their levels and have stronger AoE moves than what the SMN's HP can handle.

[Korpg]

I don't know about it because all of my avatars are free, all the time, with a DD staff. That -10 BP timer? I have capped -BP timer in macro armor as well.

There is only one more stat on those staves, and that stat is "weak as hell." Yeah, I have a gimp +1 in my moghouse, that's where my "retired and worthless" gear goes.

You wear it for the sexy "I have a mailbox strapped to my back" look, I can tell. You sure don't use it because it makes your SMN leet.

How are your avatars free all the time when it costs you 15 mp per tick to keep them out?

For avatars to be free all the time, it means that by doing nothing, the avatar costs you nothing. Even a noob SMN would understand that, I don't know how you would think otherwise.

Again, for something to be free, it has to not cost you anything to have.

[Razushu]

I don't know about it because all of my avatars are free, all the time, with a DD staff. That -10 BP timer? I have capped -BP timer in macro armor as well.

There is only one more stat on those staves, and that stat is "weak as hell." Yeah, I have a gimp +1 in my moghouse, that's where my "retired and worthless" gear goes.

You wear it for the sexy "I have a mailbox strapped to my back" look, I can tell. You sure don't use it because it makes your SMN leet.

Your avatars aren't free you have to constantly take action to replenish lost MP thats not free.

-EDIT- beaten to the punch

[Dallas]

Well I'm sure SMN could cap with food, rings, etc, but then you lose xhit (rajas) and red curry buns that real DDs would be using.

Since the best WS is Myrkr:
1) which does 0 damage
2) always works, regardless of range or direction
3) has 0 loss in effectiveness over 100% TP
4) has aftermath that improves to a max at 300% TP.

The only way to play with Myrkr is to use it at 300%... every... single... time. x-hit builds? Not a priority. ALL damage will be through DOT and avatars. Maximize attack, haste, and accuracy. Accuracy doesn't suck as much as everyone thinks (I never use sushi). Haste gear = 23%. That leaves attack, which is a good use of food.

[Alhanelem]

Every job gets at least a C+ in one weapon, it's just the way it is it isn't indicative of anything.

Unless I'm mistaken, every job has at least a B- in some weapon, except SCH.

Your avatars aren't free you have to constantly take action to replenish lost MP thats not free.

For avatars to be free all the time, it means that by doing nothing, the avatar costs you nothing.

No, it means that over time, the net loss from having your avatar out is zero. having no perp and burning 500 MP in perp and getting it all back and more is not really different in the end. Also, you do not need every piece of perp and refresh in the book to offset avatar costs anymore. There is more of that available than anyone will ever need, even without the weapon slot. If you're really desperate, you can activate avatar's favor, which has a negligible effect on physical blood pacts and melee DoT.

There is no difference between having your perp cost offset by gear and losing MP but getting it back. As long as you don't run out of MP either way, you're fine.

Myrkr can give you back over 1000 MP easily whenever you need it. You don't need max perp -.

Even if Myrkr wasn't an MP restoring WS, you do not need a weapon to completely offset perpetuation cost. You can easily bring perp cost to the minimum without the weapon slot. Thus, a perp- weapon is not needed, even for a traditional summoner.

Read this a few times. If you don't get anything else out of it, get this: MP is not a problem for a melee summoner any more than it will ever be for any other summoner strategy.

[Razushu]

Unless I'm mistaken, every job has at least a B- in some weapon, except SCH.

So we're agreed every job has at least a C+ in atleast one weapon, seeing as atleast C+ means the same >= C+

No, it means that over time, the net loss from having your avatar out is zero. having no perp and burning 500 MP in perp and getting it all back and more is not really different in the end. Also, you do not need every piece of perp and refresh in the book to offset avatar costs anymore. There is more of that available than anyone will ever need, even without the weapon slot. If you're really desperate, you can activate avatar's favor, which has a negligible effect on physical blood pacts and melee DoT.

Having something free and recouping the cost later is not the same thing. I know not every peice of perp gear is needed atm but it's hard to beat -6 perp in a single slot. I've Found avatar's favor to be a big enough effect to not use it, if your desperate for MP build your perp/refresh set.

-EDIT- to address your -EDIT-

I never said MP was a problem for either style of SMN, in fact I said that both can maintain MP more than well enough to keep us going(I'm para-phrasing here, can't even remember what thread I said it in lol) but backline prep/refresh set SMN doesn't need to rely on constant action to maintain it's MP

[Dallas]

MP is less of a problem for a melee summoner than it will ever be for any other summoner strategy.

I'm the bad guy, so I fixed your post.

[Razushu]

I'm the bad guy, so I fixed your post.

You're Special. Both styles have more than enough MP to perform well sure every 300%TP you can get 1500MP back but you wouldn't need nearly that much. Where as a refresh/perp set will save alot over time, With Garuda I save 240MP a minute from just cancelling perp cost with gear plus I get +2mp per tick back from her for a gained so thats a total 280MP a minute saved over someone with 0 perp/refresh gear on. Now this might not seem like much to someone like you who is blind to any number below 100 or so it seems thats a net gain of 1400MP over a 5 minute period. More than enough to go continously when coupled with elemental siphon and sublimation.

So tell me how your style has less of a problem with MP than my style when I have 0 problem maintaining mine under ANY circumstance.

[Dallas]

So tell me how your style has less of a problem with MP than my style when I have 0 problem maintaining mine under ANY circumstance.

I replace your useless staff with a real staff. I change NOTHING else. I do everything you just did AND have 1500mp extra MP. Melee SMN does everything you do, but with more MP, better buffs, and more damage.

That's if I was only playing the game to spank some guy who can't be bothered to level his staff skill. In reality, you are far too lazy to interest me.