About Fencer . . .

[Tamarsamar]

Why don't Red Mages have it yet?

I'm just saying . . .

[Kristal]

RDM doesn't get Fencer because it is the job the trait is named after.
Similarly, RDM doesn't get elemental sword weaponskills because they already get elemental sword enhancement spell damage...

Yes, that doesn't make sense either, but neither does PUP on Hope Staff.

The devs have a very hard time wrapping their heads around multi-purpose jobs that have been repurposed in the past. So you get weird stuff like this. Or job 'fixes' on 'issues' 6 years old...

[Neisan_Quetz]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...b-trait-Fencer

[Kristal]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...b-trait-Fencer

That thread is about renaming the trait so RDMs don't keep coming to the fora asking why RDM can't get it
This thread (and several like it) is about giving RDM the trait, since it's named after RDM.

[Ihnako]

I didn't knew RDM is a fencer since fencing is a certain combat style.
Deciding on what is written in ffxiclopedia the devs seems to have in mind that you have to be specialized in a certain way of fighting.
RDM doesn't rely that heavily on it's melee skills since he could use magic in addition.
Same goes for PLD - but I think SE had in mind that a PLD would sub WAR
BST and BRD also get the jobtrait but only at an initial level. Keep in mind those jobs have different playstyle and different roles in a party.

[Glamdring]

disregarding the fact just about everyone dual wields now or uses a 2-handed staff or soething and the trait goes almost completely unused...

[Tamarsamar]

disregarding the fact just about everyone dual wields now or uses a 2-handed staff or soething and the trait goes almost completely unused...

If you're using a sub for EX Sword Weapon Skills (like Sanguine Blade), you aren't Dual Wielding. While one of those subs does also grant Fencer, I know quite a few Red Mages who prefer playing with /DRK, and I personally take a liking to /PLD; the point is that the styled Duelists, Estoqueurs, and Fencers of the game shouldn't have to sub something just to get such an appropriately named trait!

We do, however, because apparently the devs just love to troll us . . . how else do you explain BARD getting it, but not us?!?

ADD: look at it this way: Warriors get Fencer before anybody else, and all stupid weapon skill triggers aside, when are they ever going to not be using a Great Axe?

[Glamdring]

I was speaking as both a bst and a brd (the jobs that get fencer), these days it's VERY rare for me not to DW axes, even if I do love my tatami shield. on my bard I'm using elemental staves if /mage, or DW daggers if /nin or /dnc (or /bst, yup). Shields just don't enter into the picture no more

[Neisan_Quetz]

That thread is about renaming the trait so RDMs don't keep coming to the fora asking why RDM can't get it
This thread (and several like it) is about giving RDM the trait, since it's named after RDM.

The trait isn't named after the job and Rdm doesn't need it, so they're both useless threads.

[Raksha]

The trait isn't named after the job and Rdm doesn't need it, so they're both useless threads.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item/13423/fencers-earring

http://www.ffxiah.com/item/13290/fencers-ring

Seems kind of weird RDM doesnt get it. Probably wouldn't be very useful anyway, but some peole do love their melee RDM.