Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Byrth]

ftr, the pDIF information/specifics on ffxiclopedia and gamersescape is 2-3 years old and at least partially wrong. Read the FFXIclopedia discussion page for more specifics.

Also, lol at the comments about soloing Ovni. I've soloed it on Dancer at 80 with Saber Dance / Haste Samba up the whole time, so I've no doubt that a Thief could do it. Yuna from FFXIAH did it on Dancer at 75. Sidenote though, BST gets TH3 with Dipper Yuly if they're lucky.

Fact of the matter is that Relic and Empyrean staves (and sometimes Mythic) suck for typical mage usage, which doesn't generate TP.

[Leonlionheart]

Well no native SB and a rather fast weapon, and no real SB gear either besides rajas doesn't help

[Greatguardian]

Well no native SB and a rather fast weapon, and no real SB gear either besides rajas doesn't help

True enough.

[Alhanelem]

which doesn't generate TP.

BLM and SCH do get TP for nuking, though I agree not at a high enough rate for it to be worthwhile.

ftr, the pDIF information/specifics on ffxiclopedia and gamersescape is 2-3 years old and at least partially wrong. Read the FFXIclopedia discussion page for more specifics.

I've looked over the talk page but it's kind of messy. I wouldn't mind some help updating the article if you understand it well enough to make the corrections.

(I put an outdated tag on the article- thanks for pointing that out)

[Byrth]

There's nothing to update. Masamune successfully proved the formulas wrong, but no one has combined his data into a new theory that fits everything and delivers some calculation insight. The best we've done is made fits of the average pDIF for crits and normal hits, and the formulas aren't so far off that it's really worth updating just for that.

[Alhanelem]

So the formula has changed but the new one still isn't fully understood then?

I realize for things like the damage formulas it's to be expected to some degree- but we shouldn't have to find math professors and statistics majors in our midst just to understand how important things in the game work. I mean, they know someone's going to figure stuff out eventually...

[Raksha]

So the formula has changed but the new one still isn't fully understood then?

He didn't say the formula changed, he said it was disproven (our model of it anyway).
Meaning this whole time we didn't know how it worked even though we thought we did.

I realize for things like the damage formulas it's to be expected to some degree- but we shouldn't have to find math professors and statistics majors in our midst just to understand how important things in the game work. I mean, they know someone's going to figure stuff out eventually...

Make a thread and ask SE nicely if they'll show you the damage formulas.

[Alhanelem]

Square Enix: We'll give you that info right after we drop PS2 support.

[HFX7686]

Well, with meds, and brew, anyone can solo Ovni

I'm talking about straight up solo, no meds, no brew, nothing but job abilities and kiting.

My husband got his Bullwhip Belt solo on MNK/NIN off Ovni. No brew, no kiting. He probably used a temp med or two but I don't think that would count against him. I solo'd it at 80 on RDM/NIN, which is about the easiest way anyone can kill Ovni. It's a super easy mob to kill regardless.

[Korpg]

Well, I guess I did it the hard way.

Considering that I have neither THF, BST, COR, or DNC at 90, I guess my method has to be the best I can do.