Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Leonlionheart]

BST can solo Ovni and it comes with TH.

THF can solo Ovni and it comes with TH lol.

[Korpg]

No because he can legitimately kill you at flee speed if you don't keep moving.

EDIT: Terrain exploitation was patched by SE was because Iron Giants could be forced in a position where they were literally 'stuck' and could not hit you, ever, no matter what they did, this was an exploit and was patched. There was a patch on height but I don't remember if it was the same patch... Pinning was never condemned by SE nor was it condoned to my knowledge.

I know of some people who got banned for pinning, that is what I was saying.

On Iron Giants before the patch too.

[Korpg]

THF can solo Ovni and it comes with TH lol.

I mean complete solo.

Having a WHM curing you is not a solo.

[Leonlionheart]

I mean complete solo.

Having a WHM curing you is not a solo.

I mean complete solo too. THF/DNC, you should have enough evasion to not need shadows anyway.

Edit: Seen THF/RDM do it too.

[Korpg]

I mean complete solo too. THF/DNC, you should have enough evasion to not need shadows anyway.

Meaning you never tried it before, right?

Or seen it happen.

Or realize that it would take longer than you think, and therefore have to worry about rage timers at 60 minutes

When I did it, it took me almost 58 minutes to solo, and I was lucky to have some +2 procs happen at the best possible times, or at all.

Onvi was the hardest solo I have done so far, and I was already hitting rage timer when I finally killed it.

[Neisan_Quetz]

The hell, watched a pink dnc kill ovni in like 20 minutes max.

[Leonlionheart]

Seriously, Ovni is suuuuuuper easy lol. I've seen it solo'd a million and two times.

Oh I solo'd it on MNK but I used meds and 2x 2Hour so I don't usually count that.

[Alhanelem]

Pics or it didn't happen.

I was referring to what YOU were saying. I can put out 6-8k on predator claws (when multi attacks proc, which happens a lot with VV atma) on anything that odesn't get oneshotted (if you oneshot, you may not see the full damage because extra hits do not get a chance to register). You then claimed that you can put out twice as much damage, and every 5 seconds. You're the one who needs to be posting pics or it didn't happen.

Even a SAM doesn't average 1 WS every 5 seconds. Its only possible with a brew.

[Korpg]

Seriously, Ovni is suuuuuuper easy lol. I've seen it solo'd a million and two times.

Oh I solo'd it on MNK but I used meds and 2x 2Hour so I don't usually count that.

Well, with meds, and brew, anyone can solo Ovni

I'm talking about straight up solo, no meds, no brew, nothing but job abilities and kiting.

[Greatguardian]

WAR can 5-hit 100TP in about 8 seconds assuming 0 DA and 0 TA. Since they're rocking ridiculous amounts of both in Abyssea, yes, it's nowhere near "POIDH impossible" to average 1 WS/5s. It's called Haste. In case it wasn't blatantly bloody obvious, yes, it is the single biggest thing tipping the scales away from Smn and magic-based DDs. You don't get to leave it out anyways.

Christ, people are so bloody defensive about their pet/"lulz" jobs. I say lulz with quotes to refer to "Jobs the community as a whole considers lulz, that people get very defensive about".

Can SMN hit things with a staff? Duh. Does it do so well? Duh. Is it better than sitting around with an ice staff assuming you're not being a complete dumbcrap about AoEs? Duh. If I was on SMN for whatever nutball reason, would I be melee'ing with an Emp staff? Duh.

Can you compare an Emp staff SMN to a Ukonvasara WAR in terms of damage output? Hell. No. I do not even care how high your avatar DoT and your Pclaws are. You are using a WS that does 0 damage, with absolute crap for pDif (No, you are not bloody attack capped even in Abyssea), absolute crap Haste options (22% absolute max, 21% w/o Ninurta's Sash), Dare I say again, a WS that does zero damage (or a solid Full Swing at 100TP is maybe 1k-1.5k damage), crap for x-hit options for when you're actually using full swing, and a 45s BP timer.

Oh yeah, Ovni is easy, and saying "SMN is a better melee DD than WAR" and claiming it's "A ruse to bring out the BG spies" is the absolute worst flabbergasting excuse of a safeface I have ever seen in my entire life. Personally, I'm no spy. I have more posts here in a few months than I've had on BG in years. I post on both websites. So what? You were still completely and utterly wrong, and any retroactive attempt to play it off as "Just a joke to trollz the peoplez" is nothing short of juvenile. When you say something dumb, own up to it and move the fargo on.

Edit: if you're talking about kiting Ovni .... well, it explains how it was humanly possible to take 60 minutes. But I'd stop calling people out very quickly, because that is absolute crap and even I've seen full pink troglodytes kill it faster solo (not to mention having done so faster myself).