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[Zyeriis]

I was specifically talking about the technique of sneak popping, which when done right, helps to avoid any extra agro other than the nm one wants pulled. Of course, eventually, the nm you pop is going to hit you. The point of sneak popping is to make sure that other mobs don't. You should be giving other agro mobs a wide berth, you should be at the furthest distance that the ??? will allow you to pop at, and you should be moving away from the spawn point as soon as you've clicked or traded to the ???. Ideally, another player should be getting the mob off you ASAP and if things go well, you should have a clean pull. If you walk up to a ??? all willy-nilly, with a mob or mobs clustering about, trade your item, and just stand there.... you deserve get your ass handed to you.

Thanks for the lesson that was blatantly obvious and completely missed the point (again). Not repeating myself on the matter.

And why not expect a new player to try to sneak pop if that's what's called for and they are the only person that can pop the nm? The timing can be tricky but the concept isn't exactly rocket surgery. It may also be something they have to do again someday. No time to learn like the present as they say.

Ah yes, because they need to get one-shot now if they screw it up. Is it hard or is it easy? If it's hard, then no, I don't expect them to know how to do it. If it's easy, then no, they shouldn't have to get one-shotted and I should be able to save them. Level 50 quests should not involve level 100 monsters.

And it's moot anyway. They changed the ??? spawn location in Fei'Yin. It's at g-8, where Miser Murphy spawns (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Pieuje%27s_Decision). I found this out when I was running through Fei'Yin to help a low-level friend do mission 5-1. I wanted to scope out the terrain to see how a whm could do this fight but the ??? was not in the room with the new IT ghosts.

What was that you were saying about earlier in this thread about doing research before spouting off? While SE might have thrown in a ninja fix to the ???s (and I can't really speak for other af quests but YOU specifically were taking about whm) it's more likely that the concern about the af nms being screwed over by the new monster placement was just more "OMG-The-Sky-Is-Falling" freak-out rhetoric the FFXI community, and especially this forum, has come to be known for.

Moot = now. Not when I made the post, depicting what I had actually gone and seen. The ??? was still amongst the level 100+ mobs. So, please, feel free to falsely claim that I hadn't done my research because my entire post wasn't based upon personal experience at the time (I wonder why I was SPECIFICALLY talking about whm?). Ah, the "you suck because I said so" rhetoric of the morons who don't actually go out and check what they're talking about before their first post trying to discredit some one else's skill, that was completely irrelevant to the point (because I wasn't the one who needed to pop the NM).

I still stand by an earlier comment that the monster placement was well advertised before the update and players should have expected the possibility of new agro mobs in the zones listed. When i went out and explored, I kept S/I up so I wouldn't get a surprise asskicking. Is carrying meds or casting spells really so difficult for the majority of the player base?

Yeah, kthx, we know, we foresaw this problem, posted about it, and nothing was done until at least a week or more post-update. Are non-lolworthy questions and intelligent sentences that don't equate to "i have no basis for this, but you suck and don't use S/I to walk around, which is irrelevant to NM popping but I'll say it anyway to try to insult you passively and falsely" really so difficult to form?

/S&G post #2.